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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
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kjw47 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:18 pm
Actually at 1 Cor 8:5-6--is like John 4:22-24--both warn of all other gods being false then both name only the Father as God.
1 Corinthians {8:5} For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) {8:6} But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

You mentioned this when I said that Paul never wrote a sentence about anything that Jesus said or did. That is Paul writing, telling, speaking.....

I tell you. Paul never wrote a sentence about Jesus, apart from last meal, death, resurrection ....nothing.

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oldbadger wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:40 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:16 pm
Psalm 83:18--in most older bibles-- That they may know, you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone are the most high over the earth.

Every scholar on earth knows the tetragramoton=YHWH was in every spot of OT where-GOD or LORD all capitols is, nearly 6800 places=quoted in the NT nearly 200 spots.
But your bible doesn't show YHWH........ it changes that to Jehovah.
Other bibles changing YHWH to 'God' etc aren't lying, they are just using the name that English speakers recognise.
I wonder what a Spanish bible shows for YHWH? Or a German one?

Some Christians call YHWH 'yahway' (phonetic) ........ not wrong.

The name Jehovah came from YHWH. YHWH is Hebrew, we dont speak Hebrew thus its why there is Job, Jeremiah, Joshua--there is no J in Hebrew. You have no problem using their names like that.

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:27 pm
The name Jehovah came from YHWH. YHWH is Hebrew, we dont speak Hebrew thus its why there is Job, Jeremiah, Joshua--there is no J in Hebrew. You have no problem using their names like that.
You said it..... we don't speak Aramaic/Hebrew. We use our own languages. But 'Jehovah' is not an English word, it was drawn from somewhere else, I think.
Do you know where the name @jehhovah' came from, how it is formed?

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:28 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:27 pm
The name Jehovah came from YHWH. YHWH is Hebrew, we dont speak Hebrew thus its why there is Job, Jeremiah, Joshua--there is no J in Hebrew. You have no problem using their names like that.
You said it..... we don't speak Aramaic/Hebrew. We use our own languages. But 'Jehovah' is not an English word, it was drawn from somewhere else, I think.
Do you know where the name @jehhovah' came from, how it is formed?

I know how men say it was formed--I say-John 17:26 is how in reality.

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:38 pm I know how men say it was formed--I say-John 17:26 is how in reality.
It shows no word for God's name there. So in reality you must surely be wrong.
So......... how exactly do you find a name for God such as 'Jehovah' when the name shown was 'Yahwey'? I know that your bible shows this name but that had to come from a genuine source..... where is that, please?

As you can see, Jesus did not speak a name in these verses. The Aramaic (E & W) for father was 'Abba'..... I wonder what the Aramaic for 'Righteous' might be. @Transponder? ...any ideas?
John {17:25} O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. {17:26} And I
have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it:] that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

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oldbadger wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:47 am
kjw47 wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:38 pm I know how men say it was formed--I say-John 17:26 is how in reality.
It shows no word for God's name there. So in reality you must surely be wrong.
So......... how exactly do you find a name for God such as 'Jehovah' when the name shown was 'Yahwey'? I know that your bible shows this name but that had to come from a genuine source..... where is that, please?

As you can see, Jesus did not speak a name in these verses. The Aramaic (E & W) for father was 'Abba'..... I wonder what the Aramaic for 'Righteous' might be. @Transponder? ...any ideas?
John {17:25} O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. {17:26} And I
have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it:] that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

i have full confidence Jesus kept his promise to keep on making his Fathers name known.

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kjw47 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm i have full confidence Jesus kept his promise to keep on making his Fathers name known.
But like me it seems that you don't know when or where the name 'Jehovah' was ever first seen.
For accuracy I would guess that 'Yahwey' has to be the best way of writing the phonetic name.
The name of God is written and spoken differently in thousands of languages.

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:16 am
kjw47 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm i have full confidence Jesus kept his promise to keep on making his Fathers name known.
But like me it seems that you don't know when or where the name 'Jehovah' was ever first seen.
For accuracy I would guess that 'Yahwey' has to be the best way of writing the phonetic name.
The name of God is written and spoken differently in thousands of languages.
Its either- YHWH OR YHVH-- We dont speak Hebrew thus use Jehovah. Same as we dont speak Hebrew and use-Job, Jeremiah, Joshua, etc

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kjw47 wrote: Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm
i have full confidence Jesus kept his promise to keep on making his Fathers name known.
Your confidence provides absolutely no evidence of anything other than what you have confidence of.


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kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:22 pm Its either- YHWH OR YHVH-- We dont speak Hebrew thus use Jehovah. Same as we dont speak Hebrew and use-Job, Jeremiah, Joshua, etc
Absolutely! So people who don't use Hebrew can also use their own name for YHWH in their own languages. OK.... God or Lord doesn't seem so bad to me now.

And names like 'Peter' that Jesus never knew or used, they're ok for you as well I guess, although I would always think of Simon BarJonas as 'Cephas', because that's what Jesus called him.

If your God guided your translators to use names that Jesus never knew himself, then I guess you accept other churches doing the same. OK?

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