Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[POI]

I know 100% it is getting close.

In regards to Christian 'prophecy', I'm sure stuff like this has been said for almost 2000K years now "Getting close" is a relative and subjective phrase.

They wont fix global warming, the economy's would collapse if they tried. It was said today--By raising the gas,oil prices, less would be used and help improve global warming= a pure lie. Because now the poorer countries are going back to burning coal which is much worse. And they knew that would occur. Corruption is in the ruling positions.

It would at least be nice if there was a specific prophecy, which was even half as detailed as the one you are talking about now. But guess what? There isn't.... Nada! But keep preaching your 'doomsday prophecies'...

So I guess you CANNOT demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[kjw47]

He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Let us not forget that this incompetent, negligent Father is ultimately responsible for most of that (sickness, aging, fear, pain, death, Satan....) from his actions at the very beginning. To then turn around and offer eternal life in exchange for love is a real slap in the face. If he was sincere about that, he would front up and make the offer in person instead of hiding and relying on dodgy human intermediaries who are renowned for being greedy liars and cheats.

Being omnipotent God supposedly created Adam and Eve perfect, to live forever, never sick, nor aging like now, knowing only good (and this was the card God kept up his sleeve; keeping them ignorant of bad and not letting the two know they would soon be confronted by a not-so-good, crafty, old serpent) --He handed them that on a silver platter[.] Nice guy! [S]o they werent robots he asked them not to do a single thing except as he had already foreseen: fall for his accomplice Satan's ploy. Giving them a sense of free will to listen to his advice out of love and appreciation for all he gave to them free of charge, except for the trap they were about to fall into, which was the price they would be paying. And god asked them, "How much value is that?" Having no idea what God was talking about or what was going on they were left standing dumbstruck. Being omniscient, god knew a liar was about to come along who did 0 for them, they took his side, they chose mortals to know bad, not God. Just as god knew they would. Issues were raised against Gods sovereignty, so once and for all time all rebels are being rooted out and will not get eternal life. Exactly as god knew they would. God knows what is best for all concerned for all time, which is why he allowed sin to be brought into the world. No mortal does, which suited god just fine because he wasn't looking for truly perfect creatures at all, just those who would provide him with entertainment. God was bored and really needed a little excitement in his life. Hence the conspiracy between God and Satan to do just that; create flawed creatures who would always be at each other's throats somewhere in the world.

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That is sick thinking that God just wanted to be entertained.

Then what do you think was god's actual reason for creating people? What was missing in his life that he felt it would be good to have people running around naked?

It also God a liar,

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Not a wise place to be standing, especially since this system is almost done and you are throwing away eternal life for this life and sick thinking.

I'll catch the next system when it comes around.

You arent the only one, satan has many fooled.

If I've been duped by Satan then how can I be held responsible for not catching on to his scheme? Wouldn't god have some responsibility for not giving me the ability to see past Satan's trickery? Of course he would.

I used to be angry at God, but taking in knowledge of truth changed that, Now i know 100% God is always correct, . . . .

As I've pointed out before, god has made mistakes. Mistakes he even admits to. So unless you're burying your head in the sand I don't know how you can say "God is always correct" and keep a straight face.

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God was responsible to you. He gave all his written word, he sent his son to die in your behalf. It wasnt a mistake God creating mankind, otherwise he could just destroy all of it just as easily as he created all of creation. You missed the part where God said it was all good what he created. He was sorry in the sense that he had to wipe out 99.9% of the human race. All mislead by satan and flesh desires.

As I asked in post 361 and you never addressed.

1. Then what do you think was god's actual reason for creating people?

2. What was missing in his life that he felt it would be good to have people running around naked?

3. If I've been duped by Satan then how can I be held responsible for not catching on to his scheme?

4. Wouldn't god have some responsibility for not giving me the ability to see past Satan's trickery?

Looking for at least an honest attempt.
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LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

[kjw47]

I know 100% it is getting close.

In regards to Christian 'prophecy', I'm sure stuff like this has been said for almost 2000K years now "Getting close" is a relative and subjective phrase.

They wont fix global warming, the economy's would collapse if they tried. It was said today--By raising the gas,oil prices, less would be used and help improve global warming= a pure lie. Because now the poorer countries are going back to burning coal which is much worse. And they knew that would occur. Corruption is in the ruling positions.

It would at least be nice if there was a specific prophecy, which was even half as detailed as the one you are talking about now. But guess what? There isn't.... Nada! But keep preaching your 'doomsday prophecies'...

So I guess you CANNOT demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

2Timothy 3 summed todays world up pretty well. No man can demonstrate that. God will. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) --Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.

[POI]

2Timothy 3 summed todays world up pretty well. No man can demonstrate that. God will. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) --Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.

I have to ask, were you indoctrinated into this belief system?

You are clearly not here to debate, but are instead here to assert your faith claims...

[Tcg]

LOVE was his reason.

The Bible presents a very different view:

Matthew 13:40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Of course, there is no reason for anyone to let this concern them. There is no reason to be convinced any of this will ever happen and especially not if their reason to fear it is because this mythology is in the Bible. Those who push their religion by using scare tactics may find it useful, but that's no reason to believe it either. In fact, it reveals that there is no evidence-based reason to be worried about any of this. If evidence existed, one would expect it to be presented. Not surprisingly, it isn't.


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

LOVE was his reason.

The Bible presents a very different view:

Matthew 13:40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Of course, there is no reason for anyone to let this concern them. There is no reason to be convinced any of this will ever happen and especially not if their reason to fear it is because this mythology is in the Bible. Those who push their religion by using scare tactics may find it useful, but that's no reason to believe it either. In fact, it reveals that there is no evidence-based reason to be worried about any of this. If evidence existed, one would expect it to be presented. Not surprisingly, it isn't.


Tcg

That's the chase, well enough. our pal kjw has set out his beliefs very explicitly, with relevant Biblequotes, but not a shred of decent evidence to believe any of it.

[brunumb]

Only blind guides that do not know God teach a literal place of eternal suffering. It was symbolic. The true God set before all-LIFE or DEATH(Deuteronomy 30:19) both will be everlasting. Actions prove it all. Words prove little.

And that's all that you and your Bible have to offer. So, is it any wonder that people are not convinced?

[brunumb]

LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

He did not show much LOVE or mercy in the way he treated Adam and Eve after their misdemeanor. Then he just sat back and watched while everything went down the gurgler. His LOVE then forced him to kill just about all life on the planet, after which he again just sat back and watched it go down the gurgler again. At some point he realised he needed someone who was a better teacher than himself, so he impregnated a married woman and used the offspring as his messenger service. That failed miserably too, because even two thousand years later hardly anyone understands what the message is supposed to be. This allegedly super intelligent deity wins the prize doofus award for incompetence. LOVE nowhere in sight either.

[kjw47]

2Timothy 3 summed todays world up pretty well. No man can demonstrate that. God will. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) --Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.

I have to ask, were you indoctrinated into this belief system?

You are clearly not here to debate, but are instead here to assert your faith claims...

A debate = one stands up for their side, another stands up for their side.

[kjw47]

Only blind guides that do not know God teach a literal place of eternal suffering. It was symbolic. The true God set before all-LIFE or DEATH(Deuteronomy 30:19) both will be everlasting. Actions prove it all. Words prove little.

And that's all that you and your Bible have to offer. So, is it any wonder that people are not convinced?

The mislead arent convinced.