Does consciousness exist?

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Does consciousness exist?

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Does consciousness exist?

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Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:01 pm ...
Of course if we look at the facts we can see that most if not all, seminal contributors to science, those embroiled in the scientific revolution, across all disciplines, were all creationists, all believed in God.
Well color me shocked, in a society that favors religious belief, folks'd seek that favor.
Consider too the so called Needham question, could it be that a history of belief in the Christian God actually enabled the scientific revolution? made it possible?
Lol

You refuse to answer questions put to you, and continue to ask em of me.

But anyway, "could" ain't "did".
Which of these individuals do you think "struggled to accept science" as you put it?
Lol

You refuse to answer questions put to you, while continuing to ask em of me.

But anyway, a list of scientists is gonna trend towards folks who accept science.

My previous comments were related to individuals who...

now follow me here, I'm gonna use words you might not understand...

reject scientific conclusions.

Please consult a dictionary for any of the words above that are too long, or too difficult for you to comprehend.
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Re: Does consciousness exist?

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:46 pm
Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:01 pm ...
Of course if we look at the facts we can see that most if not all, seminal contributors to science, those embroiled in the scientific revolution, across all disciplines, were all creationists, all believed in God.
Well color me shocked, in a society that favors religious belief, folks'd seek that favor.
Consider too the so called Needham question, could it be that a history of belief in the Christian God actually enabled the scientific revolution? made it possible?
Lol

You refuse to answer questions put to you, and continue to ask em of me.

But anyway, "could" ain't "did".
Which of these individuals do you think "struggled to accept science" as you put it?
Lol

You refuse to answer questions put to you, while continuing to ask em of me.

But anyway, a list of scientists is gonna trend towards folks who accept science.

My previous comments were related to individuals who...

now follow me here, I'm gonna use words you might not understand...

reject scientific conclusions.

Please consult a dictionary for any of the words above that are too long, or too difficult for you to comprehend.
The people listed in the Wikipedia article (all several hundred of them spanning several hundreds years) were/are all theists, yet none of them struggled to accept science.

The above fact does not warrant the claim that you made: "Why do theists struggle to accept science?" Like someone asking "why do black people struggle to obey the law", its untrue, unsupported by any data, a generalization and stereotyping.

Many participants in this entire forum are theists and you accuse all of them of struggling to accept science? how can you justify such an unscientific statement?

I backed up my refutation with data, you'd likely do the same if you had any data...

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Re: Does consciousness exist?

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Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:00 pm ...
Many participants in this entire forum are theists and you accuse all of them of struggling to accept science? how can you justify such an unscientific statement?
When you finally decide to offer the simple courtesy of answering the questions I put to you, I'll gladly reciprocate.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:50 pm
Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:00 pm ...
Many participants in this entire forum are theists and you accuse all of them of struggling to accept science? how can you justify such an unscientific statement?
When you finally decide to offer the simple courtesy of answering the questions I put to you, I'll gladly reciprocate.
I actually care not what you say or do Joey, that's someone else's problem, whatever gets you through the night as the man said.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:46 pm Please consult a dictionary for any of the words above that are too long, or too difficult for you to comprehend.
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Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:04 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:50 pm
Inquirer wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:00 pm ...
Many participants in this entire forum are theists and you accuse all of them of struggling to accept science? how can you justify such an unscientific statement?
When you finally decide to offer the simple courtesy of answering the questions I put to you, I'll gladly reciprocate.
I actually care not what you say or do Joey, that's someone else's problem, whatever gets you through the night as the man said.
"I don't care what you say or do...

I'm just gonna put me in the time and effort it takes to tell ya how much it is I don't."

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Invention is using things discovered.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Creation is making things exist that didn't exist.

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Inquirer wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:21 pm
Invention is using things discovered.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Creation is making things exist that didn't exist.
And creationism is declaring a creator that can't be shown to exist, did him what he can't be shown to've done.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:19 pm
Inquirer wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:21 pm
Invention is using things discovered.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Creation is making things exist that didn't exist.
And creationism is declaring a creator that can't be shown to exist, did him what he can't be shown to've done.
You mean can't be seen to exist by you? I and many others have no trouble seeing it.

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Inquirer wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:08 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:19 pm
Inquirer wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:21 pm
Invention is using things discovered.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Creation is making things exist that didn't exist.
And creationism is declaring a creator that can't be shown to exist, did him what he can't be shown to've done.
You mean can't be seen to exist by you? I and many others have no trouble seeing it.
Some have no trouble seeing Santa, Mother Goose, and all manner of things that can't be shown to exist beyond the imagination.
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