On the Bible being inerrant.

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Wrong, both times. Babylon is desolate now but was a thriving capital city until the late Roman empire and the Sassanids.

That means in any reasonable way, the desolation of Babylon within a few decades or even hundred years of the exile did not happen and the prophecy was wrong.

And New Tyre was not 'built next to' Old Tyre but on top of ALL of it.Which means that (in any reasonable sense) it was rebuilt. Old Tyre was Rebuilt - no two ways around it, and that also means the Prophecy fails.

Sorry

[tam]

Peace to you,

Sorry, I've been off for a few days, and this thread got bumped, and I noticed that I never answered this question.

Peace to you,

[Replying to otseng in post #112]

... Christians want to see the Bible as perfect, inerrant, and without contradictions. And the reason is the assumption that the authority of the Bible hinges on inerrancy.

It is a lack of faith.
It does not matter if the bible has errors, if one can turn and listen to Christ - the true Word of God - to know what is or is not true; to know what may have been mistranslated or copied wrong in what is written. But this requires faith - faith in Christ and so also in His promises, that He truly is alive, that He truly does speak and call His sheep by name, that He truly does lead us (to life, yes, and into all truth). He, Himself, the Word of God who is alive and active. If one is lacking in this faith, and if one WANTS this faith, then one can always ASK for that faith, and keep asking, keep knocking, having faith in the promise (and the One who made the promise) that the door WILL be opened.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

What evidence would demonstrate to your satisfaction that faith is an unreliable method for distinguishing true claims from false claims?

Just to be clear, I spoke of faith in a very specific person (not just random faith in whatever/whomever, including religion/religious leaders, other people, the bible, even science/scientists). I spoke of faith in Christ. It is HE - Christ Jaheshua - who does not fail, who does not lie, who does not break His word.

I don't know how to answer your question in that regard, or even if you wish to rephrase it. I mean, there is always the human element for error in anything (in faith, that might include not listening and/or sharing 'just so', perhaps due to misunderstanding something... but that is why it is important to be careful, as is the case in any other arena as well).

My Lord has never led me wrong.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

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The root of Christianity is the Hebrew Scriptures. And you are to test any new doctrine put before you scripture says.

Accepting mistranslation? Of course. Christians accept them because they uphold church doctrine. But to accept God's words mistranslated does not honor him. It's NOT OKAY nor acceptable to let people do that.

And you say Jesus lives. You sure about that?
Then you have a HUGE problem:

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

NOTICE IT SAYS TRANSGRESSIONS UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT. YOU HAVENT GOT AWAY WITH ANYTHING. FINE, YOU DONT THINK THE LAWS GOD GAVE AT SINAI APPLY TO YOU. YOU CHOSE CHRISTIANITY. MAKE SURE YOU OBEY EVERYTHING JESUS SAID. BECAUSE HIS DEATH DOESNT REDEEM YOUR DISOBEDIENCE TO HIM.

1) resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
2) if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
3)whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
4)Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
5) Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
6)whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee.

Christians think they got a sweet deal. Well, if one actually believes in Christianity then they better understand exactly what they've done. They severed themselves from the laws God gave at Sinai and attached themselves to a new set if laws. Laws that are rediculous. Ones that are virtually impossible to keep. At least the laws of Moses are doable. Christians have to love their enemies. Can't look at anyone with lust. Give to those that ask. Just a bunch of commands from Jesus that Christians are certain to fail. But Jesus won't save you from disobeying him. So Make sure you do all the above. Jesus can't save you from those sins.

Besides he can't help you at all. The NT goes out if it's way to tell you that for him to be your mediator it REQUIRES HIM TO BE DEAD. OTHERWISE HE CAN'T DO A THING.

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. [/b][/color]

[tam]

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Wrong, both times. Babylon is desolate now but was a thriving capital city until the late Roman empire and the Sassanids.
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Sorry, I have no good reason to believe that.

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It is a matter of historical record, You can Google it yourself. I you want to deny reality because you prefer Bibleclaims to facts, that is your affair.

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I'll be fair about this. I Googled it myself (as I doubt that you will) and the city of Babylon continued as part of Babylonia even after the Persians established their own capital; Babylon was a provincial capital.

However I read that under the successors of Alexander, the city was virtually depopulated, though sacrifices continued on the old temple, and you may argue that it was then rather than 226, when the Sassanids moved the capital to Ctesiphon, that Babylon became 'desolate'.

I leave it to you to argue that a 'desolation' of populace a couple of hundred years after the time the prophecy relates to is soon enough to fulfil the prophecy. After all the (failed) prophecy of Tyre clearly dates to the years after Alexander's conquest when it was destroyed and the causeway was indeed a place for spreading nets and it looked like the city was destroyed forever.

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