Christendom inconsistent beliefs #4: Christ, flesh and bones in heaven?

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Christendom inconsistent beliefs #4: Christ, flesh and bones in heaven?

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Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.
No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.


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Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:16 am
Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.
No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

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Matthew 6 wrote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:52 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:16 am
Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.
No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

Tcg
Matthew 6 wrote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.
Not according to Jesus:
Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.


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Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:16 am
Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.
No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.


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A kingdom has basically two things. A king or even kings and subjects.

Ownership doesn't belong to the subjects, it belongs to the ruler/s of the kingdom.

There is a centralized place where the kings rule from. Mt 3:2 places that as being in the heavens. Thus flesh or creatures of the physical universe can't live in a spiritual place. Thus why we have 1cor 6:9.

Who will be the rulers? Rev 14:1-3 says these will come from the Earth but there will be one, the Lamb. Jesus Christ, that will not be part of those bought from Earth.
What/Who will they rule? Rev 21:1-4 says both Heaven and Earth. Both angels and mankind will be subjects.

So the kingdom of God covers all creation. However, not all are rulers. Only those that 'inherit' God's Kingdom will be rulers. What about mankind? Ps 37:29 says they will inherit not the kingdom of God but the Earth and live forever upon it.

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Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven. No, I do not believe earthly flesh and blood or bones are in heaven or can enter. As long as Jesus was on Earth he maintained his earthly body _ once he ascended he took on his true form.
When it is written we will see him decend as we seen him ascend, that speaking specifically of ascending and descending not how he looks or what his body consists of.
1st John 3:2 tells us we will be as he is - we will see him as he truly is when he returns.
I agree with you that Christ wouldn't have a flesh and blood or bones body now that he is in heaven. When he comes back why would he take on a visible body? We will see him with the eyes of FAITH.....and the nations will see him with "eyes of UNDERSTANDING." When Jesus was caught up to heaven, the angels said that we would see him as he went up, when he returns. When he was ascending, you might notice in the verses at Acts 1:9,11, "a cloud caught him up from their sight." That means we will not see him physically when he returns. When he went up he was OBSCURED from their sight. We will certainly see the EFFECTS of his return, and "all the nations will have to know that God is Jehovah," and Jesus will see to that. (See Ezekiel 20:38,42,44.)

If we all are going to be spirit persons, as you apparently believe, what do the scriptures mean that say that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever?

"The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:29)

The earth was made for physical human beings.

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Replying to Sheila D, onewithhim wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:21 pm
If we all are going to be spirit persons, as you apparently believe, what do the scriptures mean that say that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever?

"The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:29)

The earth was made for physical human beings.
Scriptures stating that the righteous will inherit the earth and live on it forever, prove that those righteous referred to are not humans -- as humans do not live forever.

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Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:43 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:52 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:16 am
Sheila D wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:53 pm as 1st Corinthians 15:50 says - flesh and blood cannot enter into heaven.
No, it doesn't. 1 Corinthians 15:50 states:
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
The problem of course is interpreting what the "kingdom of God" refers to.

Tcg
Matthew 6 wrote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Our Father is in heaven.

We are to pray for our Father's kingdom to come to the earth. So the Kingdom of God is not here now.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

So it makes sense that the Kingdom of God is not here, and that mankind must change before we can inherit that kingdom.
Not according to Jesus:
Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.


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There is the spiritual kingdom of heaven, which is power and spirit, which was shown by the dead rising, and the sick being healed. And there is the kingdom of God, which is the physical kingdom on earth, whereas My servant David will be king/shepherd from Jerusalem, over the combined tribes of Judah and Ephraim/Israel (Ezekiel 37) and rule the nations with a rod of iron (Revelation 19). That has not yet happened. Apparently, your religious indoctrination was lacking because they had no understanding. The spiritual kingdom was explained by James 3:16 with respect to the righteous, which you will be hard pressed to find any but the wicked, the lawless, the "many" of Matthew 7:13. Right now, Pelosi is on a snipe hunt to find why there is lawlessness, whereas she and her Progressive Marxist compatriots are the core standard of lawlessness. As for the corresponding hell, why the Progressives are living in their own hell on earth. Apparently, it is accompanied by having false teeth, which may or may not be well fitted, and is described by the term, the walking dead. Fortunately, the walking dead (zombies) with bad teeth, probably cannot eat your brains, but they can probably kill your children.

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Tcg wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:43 pm
Mt. 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Jesus was speaking to folks on earth and of events on earth. He claimed that the kingdom of God had come upon those he was speaking to on earth.
Jesus was likewise speaking to folks on the earth when He commanded us to pray as follows:
Matthew 6 wrote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Perhaps there are a few exceptions, but in general the earth is not presently part of the kingdom of God.

In fact, under the rule of man, the earth is rapidly being destroyed as a livable habitat for fleshy beings.

Over two thousand years ago, it was prophesied that man's rule would result in this conclusion:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (Matthew 24:21-22)
That would not happen if God's will was being done on the earth.

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