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As you all know (oldies) i have not been very active during the last year or so. I apologize for this and wish to point out that i Love this site. I think Otseng, even the Theist (JOKE) scumm He is :D, has created a very FAIR and open debate forum for all of us, and I can find very few Forums like this.

As a starter, I will go on the General Chat and talk Americans, as most of you are americans, and simple ask some questions, and I would like to have Your, Honest View about it.


I was sitting and "watching" a movie called "War of the World" with a Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise (dont remember), i only remember the original book/movie, so this was "interesting" to watch. Several (Everything happen in the U.S) of the people stated "how could they defeat the greatest power in the World" several times, and it was clear they refered to the United States (As americans generally dont know anything about the rest of the World), and it came to me like a Flash, Could This be the reason why Americans believe they are the best in the world?

Historically we know the basis for the general ignorance about the World americans Hold (Note: The AVERAGE American), I do not know if americans themselves know this, as I understood american History is not very accurate, but as refreshment for the New Generation:

During the Beginning and End of Second World War, the american population had little or no knowledge about what was actually going on. The U.S, both people and Government had seen Chancellor Adolf Hitler as a great rolemodel, but as the War in Europe Began, all that was ignored/pretended never to have been said, and now Germany was "Evil", and Adolf Hitler was a "Bad Guy". The so called Holocaust was not known until after the war, which most contemporary americans have no knowledge about.

When the war finally "Finished" (Officially), the american government did not tell the american people that it was the Soviet Union whom actually dealt with the War, whiles the U.S only sent an equal amount of troops to the British. Actually, 80% of the German Army (The most powerfull and skilled Army in the World during this time) was fought by the Soviet Union, which was also seen as "Evil" (The Allies).

The Government instead avoided talking about it, and let the americna people believe They where the ones "taking care of business", and said nothing about the Soviets. 60 Years later, the people still believe this, and seemingly the American History books have been altered to fit the fale propaganda, and personally, I believe that the lied so much to themselves, Both choosen Government, as well as the people, that they seriously believe their own lies.


Could this be the case?

Americans rarely admits anyone else being "Better" then them, and simple ignore Reality. Especially when it comes to the Evil/Jealous Europeans. But at the Same time, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrary are all seen as a sign of "Best" / "Superiority" Etc, all European Cars. I know States and counties whom have the funds, would change their Police cars into Swedish Volvos instead, as they are of better quality then American Cars.

We should not even talk about the Mobile Phone Industries, which the U.S are years behind compared to Europe and Asia.


But this is no Bash, this is rather self-reflection, Could what i say be True !?



BIG NOTE: This is about the AVERAGE, General American, We all have Idiots and Morrons everywhere. Just a General View.
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Juliod wrote:You're forgetting (or don't know) about the massive scale of US aid to the USSR. 15 million pairs of boots; 250,000 trucks; 30,000 tanks; and piles and piles of everything else.
I not making a point. Just asking. Did the US give or make a profit on this?

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juliod wrote:
Americans rarely admits anyone else being "Better" then them, and simple ignore Reality.
I can give a good example of "issues" with US industry. There are, at the current time (AFAIK) zero manufacturers of optical microscopes in the US. That's shocking, given the size of the US market for research/clinical scopes.

You can buy cheap (and crappy) scopes made in China, or else buy high end scopes made only in Germany or Japan. I'm going with Zeiss.

But I still don't know what to make of it.

Also, BTW, the 122mm main gun of the M1A1 tank is German too. (Manufactured under license, I understand).

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And tell me, which source claimed that America was the dominant manufacturing country? If anything, most agree with the comment made by the Russian Space Station atronaut in Armeggedon when they couldn't take off from the asteroid and he went down to help the American astronaut try to fix the problem and said "American, Russian, but all made in Taiwan" (as he is banging on a part saying " this is how we fix things in Russia".

Why is it that everyone seems to think that the majority of Americans think we are such a great nation? Where do people get the notion that history is taught so wrong here when no one can list a Textbook currently used in Universities that skews events so much so that it make America appear to play a greater role. Is it because much isn't mentioned about the other countries. Call me insane, but this would be why it the courses and texts used are called "American History". For more information as to the roles of many other nations we have courses called "World History". Or specifically courses that address only specific events such as some course I took: "The Vietnam Conflict", "WWII", etc....
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confused wrote:And tell me, which source claimed that America was the dominant manufacturing country? If anything, most agree with the comment made by the Russian Space Station atronaut in Armeggedon when they couldn't take off from the asteroid and he went down to help the American astronaut try to fix the problem and said "American, Russian, but all made in Taiwan" (as he is banging on a part saying " this is how we fix things in Russia".
:D I have an in joke with my son. It started after watching Armeggedon. If something don't work. We bang it and in phoney accent say "MADE IN RUSSIA".

However in WWII the Russian T-34 was and is widely regarded as the best.

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Did the US give or make a profit on this?
Give, under the "Lend/Lease" program. There may have been some payment terms, but these would have been entirely notional.

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Why is it that everyone seems to think that the majority of Americans think we are such a great nation?
I think this is a case where we need to be very careful about overgeneralization.

I think thr US self-image breaks down like this:

20% Think the US is God's Chosen Nation and has never, and cannot, do wrong.

30% Think the US is the greatest nation on earth, and everything we do is justified.

25% Have a very limited, parachial view of world history and events, and cannot make informed decisions on complex issues.

25% Have a more sophisticated, complete view of society and culture.


What has happened is that after 9/11 we have had a large minority, but extremely vocal, who believe that the US is infallible, or nearly so, and these people have been driving events.

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[quote="Scrotum"]As you all know (oldies) i have not been very active during the last year or so. I apologize for this and wish to point out that i Love this site. I think Otseng, even the Theist (JOKE) scumm He is :D, has created a very FAIR and open debate forum for all of us, and I can find very few Forums like this.

As a starter, I will go on the General Chat and talk Americans, as most of you are americans, and simple ask some questions, and I would like to have Your, Honest View about it.


I was sitting and "watching" a movie called "War of the World" with a Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise (dont remember), i only remember the original book/movie, so this was "interesting" to watch. Several (Everything happen in the U.S) of the people stated "how could they defeat the greatest power in the World" several times, and it was clear they refered to the United States (As americans generally dont know anything about the rest of the World), and it came to me like a Flash, Could This be the reason why Americans believe they are the best in the world?


we are (hehe)....specially us Texans.

Historically we know the basis for the general ignorance about the World americans Hold (Note: The AVERAGE American), I do not know if americans themselves know this, as I understood american History is not very accurate, but as refreshment for the New Generation:

During the Beginning and End of Second World War, the american population had little or no knowledge about what was actually going on. The U.S, both people and Government had seen Chancellor Adolf Hitler as a great rolemodel, but as the War in Europe Began, all that was ignored/pretended never to have been said, and now Germany was "Evil", and Adolf Hitler was a "Bad Guy". The so called Holocaust was not known until after the war, which most contemporary americans have no knowledge about.

When the war finally "Finished" (Officially), the american government did not tell the american people that it was the Soviet Union whom actually dealt with the War, whiles the U.S only sent an equal amount of troops to the British. Actually, 80% of the German Army (The most powerfull and skilled Army in the World during this time) was fought by the Soviet Union, which was also seen as "Evil" (The Allies).

The Government instead avoided talking about it, and let the americna people believe They where the ones "taking care of business", and said nothing about the Soviets. 60 Years later, the people still believe this, and seemingly the American History books have been altered to fit the fale propaganda, and personally, I believe that the lied so much to themselves, Both choosen Government, as well as the people, that they seriously believe their own lies.


Could this be the case?

Americans rarely admits anyone else being "Better" then them, and simple ignore Reality. Especially when it comes to the Evil/Jealous Europeans. But at the Same time, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrary are all seen as a sign of "Best" / "Superiority" Etc, all European Cars. I know States and counties whom have the funds, would change their Police cars into Swedish Volvos instead, as they are of better quality then American Cars.

We should not even talk about the Mobile Phone Industries, which the U.S are years behind compared to Europe and Asia.


But this is no Bash, this is rather self-reflection, Could what i say be True !?


i doubt you are from Sweden. I saw on the news where people from...shall we say.....countries not feelin friendly towards the US...go into forums under the disguise of a nice guy and bash the US to try and discourage us from trusting our government....now......its possible thats the case here......i love my country....and i'd say more than that but i'm trying to be a nice Christian.... :D

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katiej49 wrote: i doubt you are from Sweden. I saw on the news where people from...shall we say.....countries not feelin friendly towards the US...go into forums under the disguise of a nice guy and bash the US to try and discourage us from trusting our government....now......its possible thats the case here......i love my country....and i'd say more than that but i'm trying to be a nice Christian.... :D
I have never ever heard an American say anything other than they love their country. This is why us Brits find you guys a little bit alien. Ask the average Brit whether they love their country and you'll be lucky to get a civil answer. Even those who think of the mother land more warmly don’t go around saying they actually love it. And soon as anybody ever makes any money their off abroad. Britain would be suffering from net emigration if it were not for the flood of East Europeans.

What is it exactly Americans love about their country? Can we import it into Britain?

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katiej49 wrote: i doubt you are from Sweden. I saw on the news where people from...shall we say.....countries not feelin friendly towards the US...go into forums under the disguise of a nice guy and bash the US to try and discourage us from trusting our government....now......its possible thats the case here......i love my country....and i'd say more than that but i'm trying to be a nice Christian.... :D
I have never ever heard an American say anything other than they love their country. This is why us Brits find you guys a little bit alien. Ask the average Brit whether they love their country and you'll be lucky to get a civil answer. Even those who think of the mother land more warmly don’t go around saying they actually love it. And soon as anybody ever makes any money their off abroad. Britain would be suffering from net emigration if it were not for the flood of East Europeans.

What is it exactly Americans love about their country? Can we import it into Britain?
what do we love about it? the freedom, the beauty, the people, the cities, the country, freedom to worship God, TEXAS of course :P its the best place on earth to live..

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katiej49 wrote: what do we love about it? the freedom, the beauty, the people, the cities, the country, freedom to worship God, TEXAS of course :P its the best place on earth to live..

Different strokes for different folks. I BEEN to Texas.

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goat wrote:
katiej49 wrote: what do we love about it? the freedom, the beauty, the people, the cities, the country, freedom to worship God, TEXAS of course :P its the best place on earth to live..

Different strokes for different folks. I BEEN to Texas.

didnt stay did you :lol:

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