Rationalism.

[Benson]

"But when he, the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come." (John 16:13)

"Sanctify them through thy [The Father's] truth; thy word is truth." (John 17:17)

Rather than using tradition, analogy, extra dimensional perception, intuitive feelings, specious nouveou, mutual contradictions, and nonmodeled authority, Science today seeks to be based upon human observation and the rationale of logic. The logic is either deductive by calculation, or is inductive by implication.

Rather than describing the workings of Science as the basis for truth, The Bible states God's Word is truth as it is conveyed into human consciousness by The Holy Spirit. John 16:13 describe what Science cannot do:

1.) "He the spirit of truth comes."
Science is not an entity which comes, but potentially exists within the mechinations of human sentience.

2.) "He will guide you into all truth."
Science only demands through deduction or suggests through implication. Science does not guide as does wisdom from a principle. Science does not address all truth, but only what is known from the human physical senses. Science exists not of itself, but only by means of tools giving measurements and by the logic of analysis.

3.) "For he will not speak on his own initiative."
Science speaks only upon the presence of its own derived data. Science itself does not act.

4.) "But whatever he hears."
Science is not sentient upon hearing anything.

5.) "He will speak."
Science itself has no voice apart from human thought.

6.) "He will disclose to you what will come."
Science can only predict certain specific actions of observed matter, but cannot accurately predict future human, earthly, or cosmic events.

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance.". (Gal. 5:22)

Science neither pursues, identifies, nor produces any of these human aspects which are essential for the integrity and continuation of mankind.

"God has sent forth the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba Father!'" (Gal. 4:6)

Science has no Father in heaven, and systematically seeks only itself.

Science is based upon the Realm of Satan, because it encompasses the knowledge of both good and evil by denying that distinction. Using Science, humans remain unable to measure and control good and evil, which are the undeniable outcomes of all human pursuits.

[Tcg]

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[Replying to Benson in post #1]

[Athetotheist]

Science is based upon the Realm of Satan, because it encompasses the knowledge of both good and evil by denying that distinction. Using Science, humans remain unable to measure and control good and evil, which are the undeniable outcomes of all human pursuits.

If Jesus was a carpenter, then he relied on 1st-century science to use carpentry tools to build things and it doesn't seem that he minded.

[Benson]

Jesus' carpentry in no manner was equivalent to the science of today.

[Athetotheist]

Jesus' carpentry in no manner was equivalent to the science of today.

Science is science, no matter what level of it someone uses.

[Benson]

"Science being science" is not the discussion here. The discussion centers upon the worship of science such that it is leaning on one's understanding in violation of Prevents 3:5.

Science is what the Fallen Angels in the Book of Enoch imparted to horrifically rebellious mankind, in order to accelerate their human rebellion. Try to remember The Book of Enoch is quoted in The Book of Jude, and was widely accepted by the Early Church.

[Tcg]

Jesus' carpentry in no manner was equivalent to the science of today.

And yet you made this universal statement and others like it regarding science that makes no distinction to the era of science under consideration:

"Science is based upon the Realm of Satan..."

If your universal claim is true, then Jesus was quite clearly involved in the activity you consider the "Realm of Satan."


Tcg

[Benson]

Where is the science of Jesus' carpentry? Jesus' carpentry does not endeavor to explain anything as does the science of today. Jesus did not use His work if carpentry to illustrate any Truth of Godliness or of the Gospel.

How much of what you post on this thread is germane to the issue? Anything at all?

[Athetotheist]

Science is what the Fallen Angels in the Book of Enoch imparted to horrifically rebellious mankind, in order to accelerate their human rebellion. Try to remember The Book of Enoch is quoted in The Book of Jude, and was widely accepted by the Early Church.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
--Galileo (scientist)

[Tcg]

Where is the science of Jesus' carpentry?

Science includes the application of acquired knowledge. Carpentry certainly qualifies.

Jesus' carpentry does not endeavor to explain anything as does the science of today.

There is no "science of today" or science of the past. There is but science.

Jesus did not use His work if carpentry to illustrate any Truth of Godliness or of the Gospel.

Who claimed that he did?

How much of what you post on this thread is germane to the issue? Anything at all?

Everything.


Tcg