Prominant Southern Baptist says it's Ok

[Buckeye]

The president of a prominent Southern Baptist seminary says he would support medical treatment, if it were available, to change the sexual orientation of a fetus inside its mother's womb from homosexual to heterosexual.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/213/story_21372_1.html

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How is it Ok to do this while stem cell research is unacceptable? And BTW, don't most Christians believe that homosexuality is a choice?

Personally, I'm aghast. What's next, blond hair and blue eyes?

[Cathar1950]

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?
Criminal activity exempted.

As an agent responsible for the up-keep of a hundred billion Galaxies typically containing some half a trillion stars, it is beyond my ability to imagine there being the slightest interest in what goes on behind bedroom doors. Really.

Are Southern Baptists aware that the universe extends quite a bit beyond Kentucky?

I hear when the Baptist conventions are in town the room service goes up and the bars are empty.
But I am sure it is true of some other groups too.

[Cmass]

Speaking of names, I just noticed your truth cop.
HMM

Regards
DL

The Truth Cop will be 2 in June and yet he speaks the truth. He says "no" and means it. He says "I want" and he means it. If he is frightened or insecure, he does not hide it - he simply screams. If he is happy and wants to dance to the music, he does so with abandon. No BS.
To him, the universe just IS. Life, just IS. And he is fascinated by every aspect of it. He does not invoke a God to explain anything - he simply experiences it. This raw experience of life has a certain truth to it - a truth that he has taught me from the first time our eyes met.
From VERY careful study of him from day one, I have learned that organized religion is not a natural condition. A sense of wonder and curiosity IS a natural natural condition. Only once he becomes insecure about who he is or about the future or his own mortality will he begin looking for a way to bargain with God(s).

[micatala]

Speaking of names, I just noticed your truth cop.
HMM

Regards
DL

The Truth Cop will be 2 in June and yet he speaks the truth. He says "no" and means it. He says "I want" and he means it. If he is frightened or insecure, he does not hide it - he simply screams. If he is happy and wants to dance to the music, he does so with abandon. No BS.
To him, the universe just IS. Life, just IS. And he is fascinated by every aspect of it. He does not invoke a God to explain anything - he simply experiences it. This raw experience of life has a certain truth to it - a truth that he has taught me from the first time our eyes met.
From VERY careful study of him from day one, I have learned that organized religion is not a natural condition. A sense of wonder and curiosity IS a natural natural condition. Only once he becomes insecure about who he is or about the future or his own mortality will he begin looking for a way to bargain with God(s).

A compelling statement. One can certainly learn a great deal from children and their ways.

Let me respond to a couple of specific comments.

I have learned that organized religion is not a natural condition.

I would tend to agree.

A sense of wonder and curiosity IS a natural natural condition.

I would also tend to agree.

Only once he becomes insecure about who he is or about the future or his own mortality will he begin looking for a way to bargain with God(s).

This is one possible reason for developing a conception of God(s) but is not the only one by far. In fact, the wonder and curiosity previously alluded to leads many of us to questions that lead toward God. The idea of God does not have to be fearful or vengeful or manipulative, but can be awe-inspiring and wonderful and comforting.

Many people comment on being led to God through questioning why things are the way the are and why they seem to have a curiosity about and connection with the universe and their experiences with it. It is true that 'wonder and curiosity' do not necessarily lead one to God, but neither is it true that God somehow is counter to wonder and curiosity or that only when one loses wonder and curiosity does one fall back on God.

[Cmass]

This is one possible reason for developing a conception of God(s) but is not the only one by far. In fact, the wonder and curiosity previously alluded to leads many of us to questions that lead toward God. The idea of God does not have to be fearful or vengeful or manipulative, but can be awe-inspiring and wonderful and comforting.

Many people comment on being led to God through questioning why things are the way the are and why they seem to have a curiosity about and connection with the universe and their experiences with it. It is true that 'wonder and curiosity' do not necessarily lead one to God, but neither is it true that God somehow is counter to wonder and curiosity or that only when one loses wonder and curiosity does one fall back on God.

Perfectly reasonable.
As usual.

[Greatest I Am]

If religion is not a natural system, then how did it start.

Remember that the belief in God started before people could tie their shoes. They may not even have shoes to tie.

Even today, if we go see the newest tribes found, we see them believing in a God of some kind.
Every missionary has had to first displace an old God before he could have his taken into the tribe.

If this condition happens everywhere, then how can we say it is not natural.

Regards
DL

[Cathar1950]

If religion is not a natural system, then how did it start.

Remember that the belief in God started before people could tie their shoes. They may not even have shoes to tie.

Even today, if we go see the newest tribes found, we see them believing in a God of some kind.
Every missionary has had to first displace an old God before he could have his taken into the tribe.

If this condition happens everywhere, then how can we say it is not natural.

Regards
DL

Who says it isn't natural? Is astrology natural?
So people that can't tie there shoes because they don't have any believe in God, does that make it true or false?

[Greatest I Am]

If religion is not a natural system, then how did it start.

Remember that the belief in God started before people could tie their shoes. They may not even have shoes to tie.

Even today, if we go see the newest tribes found, we see them believing in a God of some kind.
Every missionary has had to first displace an old God before he could have his taken into the tribe.

If this condition happens everywhere, then how can we say it is not natural.

Regards
DL

Who says it isn't natural? Is astrology natural?
So people that can't tie there shoes because they don't have any believe in God, does that make it true or false?

Astrology had a cause.

Religion would need a cause as well.

What could a shaman provide as a cause other than words?
Why would he be believed?

Regards
DL

[Cathar1950]

If religion is not a natural system, then how did it start.

Remember that the belief in God started before people could tie their shoes. They may not even have shoes to tie.

Even today, if we go see the newest tribes found, we see them believing in a God of some kind.
Every missionary has had to first displace an old God before he could have his taken into the tribe.

If this condition happens everywhere, then how can we say it is not natural.

Regards
DL

Who says it is not natural? Humans have imagination.
We dream too.

Why wouldn't they? People believe Sylvia Brown and John Edwards.
Humans have imagination.We may not be the only creatures but we cirtainly use it to produce great accomplishments.
Do you have a point here?

Who says it isn't natural? Is astrology natural?
So people that can't tie there shoes because they don't have any believe in God, does that make it true or false?

Astrology had a cause.

Religion would need a cause as well.

What could a shaman provide as a cause other than words?
Why would he be believed?

Regards
DL

Why would they not be believed?
I keep posting this and it comes back unedited.

[katiej49]

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?
Criminal activity exempted.

As an agent responsible for the up-keep of a hundred billion Galaxies typically containing some half a trillion stars, it is beyond my ability to imagine there being the slightest interest in what goes on behind bedroom doors. Really.

Are Southern Baptists aware that the universe extends quite a bit beyond Kentucky?

honest some Southern Baptists have college degrees

[katiej49]

Speaking of names, I just noticed your truth cop.
HMM

Regards
DL

The Truth Cop will be 2 in June and yet he speaks the truth. He says "no" and means it. He says "I want" and he means it. If he is frightened or insecure, he does not hide it - he simply screams. If he is happy and wants to dance to the music, he does so with abandon. No BS.
To him, the universe just IS. Life, just IS. And he is fascinated by every aspect of it. He does not invoke a God to explain anything - he simply experiences it. This raw experience of life has a certain truth to it - a truth that he has taught me from the first time our eyes met.
From VERY careful study of him from day one, I have learned that organized religion is not a natural condition. A sense of wonder and curiosity IS a natural natural condition. Only once he becomes insecure about who he is or about the future or his own mortality will he begin looking for a way to bargain with God(s).

interesting post. Would it surprise you to know that you just described how our relationship with God should be? We can speak the truth to Him and still be loved. We can scream in fear or anger....and still be loved and accepted. We can dance with joy before Him. God doesnt have to explain everything.....we can just enjoy Him....and in doing so enjoy life. I would respectfully say that you have the wrong ideas about religion (and i can understand, we have done a lot to screw it up from what it should be)......I dont have to bargain with God. I have been redeemed and I am His child. makes me wanna dance with joy