Prominant Southern Baptist says it's Ok

[Buckeye]

The president of a prominent Southern Baptist seminary says he would support medical treatment, if it were available, to change the sexual orientation of a fetus inside its mother's womb from homosexual to heterosexual.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/213/story_21372_1.html

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How is it Ok to do this while stem cell research is unacceptable? And BTW, don't most Christians believe that homosexuality is a choice?

Personally, I'm aghast. What's next, blond hair and blue eyes?

[Confused]

The president of a prominent Southern Baptist seminary says he would support medical treatment, if it were available, to change the sexual orientation of a fetus inside its mother's womb from homosexual to heterosexual.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/213/story_21372_1.html

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How is it Ok to do this while stem cell research is unacceptable? And BTW, don't most Christians believe that homosexuality is a choice?

Personally, I'm aghast. What's next, blond hair and blue eyes?

I am a bit biased since I have blond hair and blue eyes, ok not really biased.


I am not sure how Christian doctrine could support this. That would be messing with Gods design, I think. And I don't know that Christian doctrine could have a problem with stem cell reasearch, I think they only disagree with the means of fetal stem cell harvesting. Though we have had many threads on abortion, I dont' think any substantial proof was given that the bible forbids abortion (explicitly), so I don't know that the doctrine should have a problem with the method of obtaining fetal stem cells.

My opinion stems from one a logic. Laws allow for abortions. While the end may not always justify the means, the fact is that if one wants an abortion, why not allow it to be donated to science? It is a waste of resources not to.

[micatala]

The president of a prominent Southern Baptist seminary says he would support medical treatment, if it were available, to change the sexual orientation of a fetus inside its mother's womb from homosexual to heterosexual.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/213/story_21372_1.html

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How is it Ok to do this while stem cell research is unacceptable? And BTW, don't most Christians believe that homosexuality is a choice?

Personally, I'm aghast. What's next, blond hair and blue eyes?

I find Mohler's attitude extremely disappointing, misguided, and unethical. To refer to homosexuality as a disease is ridiculous. One might as well classify being left-handed or albino as a disease.

I also find it hypocritical that he brings this up without discussing what other "diseases" he would OK this treatment for. Would Mohler favor genetic manipulation if we identified an 'adultery' gene, or a 'stealing' gene or an 'atheist' gene? Would Mohler support genetic manupalation to combat Down's syndrome, autism, Alzheimer's, arthritis? To suggest opening this pandora's box for homosexuality only shows the depth of prejudice such as Mohler have against all things homosexual.

I wonder what Mohler would say to suggestions we genetically manipulate people pre-disposed to being Baptists?



I did find his admission that homosexuality may likely have a biological basis interesting:

Mohler's view, in some ways, could signal a shift away from traditional evangelical thinking on homosexuality, from a condition that is changeable to one that is actually determined by genetics. Mohler said there is "no incontovertible or widely accepted proof" that sexual orientation is based in biology, yet "the direction of the research points in this direction."

[Cmass]

Yeah, this is pretty sick & twisted. I could be wrong, but I doubt you will find many Christians in here who would support this.....perhaps a few.
I find it distressing that Christians don't rise up against Mohler's form of violence and send him packing.
What concerns me most is not so much that this guy is a nut job, but that he is wealthy, politically powerful and getting far more air time than the bright fellow who invented this device: http://www.globalhand.org/data/organisa ... 9307548456
Little inventions and programs like this have a big impact on children's lives.....there are many more like this that you will never read about because the likes of Mohler are clogging the airwaves.

[Zephania]

I'm just going to agree this is hypocritical and yet another way out religious notion that man can and should play god to prepare for his coming here on earth.

How wrong. So filled with hateful rhetoric. This is not Christianity. This is Jim Jones waiting to happen all over again.

[Greatest I Am]

Man has two natures.
A political nature and a spiritual nature.
The political deals with the physical world, eating, sleeping, safety, etc.
The spiritual takes care of the immaterial realm but none the less has an effect on the political.

From the political side, if reproduction is one of our key instincts, then being in a position of not doing so would go against the natural instincts of the group, regardless of condition. Gayness being one of many conditions.

It would not mean that it goes against the natural instincts of the gay person.

Therefor if nature is not offended by this condition then no intervention is required.

Having said this, I would wonder how gay people fell. If there is a victim of this condition it is the gay community. They would know better than anyone else whether intervention would be desired by this new soul or if not.

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?
Criminal activity exempted.

Regards
DL

[Cmass]

Greatest You Are,
I highly doubt any grand philosophical examination of the issue is going through his head. I doubt much of anything is going through his head. This wacko is interested only in power and control and is using the boogie man of the day to pander to the sad individuals who take him seriously.

Having said this, I would wonder how gay people fell. If there is a victim of this condition it is the gay community. They would know better than anyone else whether intervention would be desired by this new soul or if not.

A good friend of mine "came out" 2 years ago so I have had a chance to ask him all manner of questions - both philosophical and personal. He does not see himself as having any kind of "condition". It is just the way he is and, beyond the fact that he experiences abuse (often from the religious community) he has no reason to change who he is. There ARE people who do want to change who they are in all versions of human sexual expression but much of that has to do with gender identification issues and problems related to social and familial abuse.

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?

No, because He does not exist. But if He did exist I doubt He would care as deeply as the religious right about how you stimulated your genitals - that He gave you and set up the chemistry for.
Human genital stimulation technique and preference is a bizarre fixation of some very confused and sad people.

[Greatest I Am]

Greatest You Are,
I highly doubt any grand philosophical examination of the issue is going through his head. I doubt much of anything is going through his head. This wacko is interested only in power and control and is using the boogie man of the day to pander to the sad individuals who take him seriously.

Having said this, I would wonder how gay people fell. If there is a victim of this condition it is the gay community. They would know better than anyone else whether intervention would be desired by this new soul or if not.

A good friend of mine "came out" 2 years ago so I have had a chance to ask him all manner of questions - both philosophical and personal. He does not see himself as having any kind of "condition". It is just the way he is and, beyond the fact that he experiences abuse (often from the religious community) he has no reason to change who he is. There ARE people who do want to change who they are in all versions of human sexual expression but much of that has to do with gender identification issues and problems related to social and familial abuse.

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?

No, because He does not exist. But if He did exist I doubt He would care as deeply as the religious right about how you stimulated your genitals - that He gave you and set up the chemistry for.
Human genital stimulation technique and preference is a bizarre fixation of some very confused and sad people.

Speaking of names, I just noticed your truth cop.
HMM

Regards
DL

[QED]

From the spiritual side, I have to place the question. Does God care what I do with my body parts?
Does He care what you do with yours?
Criminal activity exempted.

As an agent responsible for the up-keep of a hundred billion Galaxies typically containing some half a trillion stars, it is beyond my ability to imagine there being the slightest interest in what goes on behind bedroom doors. Really.

Are Southern Baptists aware that the universe extends quite a bit beyond Kentucky?

[Cathar1950]

Man has two natures.
A political nature and a spiritual nature.

Man has one nature but is multi-dimensional with many attributes.
Why do people come off with two natures or three creating dualisms that don't help.
Ok fine we got to sides of our brains that have become specialized but they are flexible.