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Why do you attribute your words to me and mine to you? See post #(50)/ Pretty dishonest? I'm sure it was a mistake.
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Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #52Yes, that was a formatting mistake -- an extra [/quote].
Thanks. I have corrected it.
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #54.
Many who debate here have no reverence for the Bible or its characters. Did you expect, on a public debate forum, to be surrounded by fellow believers with no opposition views expressed?
Again, Holy Huddle sub-forum may be more comfortable for those who wish to preach to one another about their god beliefs.
"So many others like me"? What, exactly, does that mean?
Many who debate here have no reverence for the Bible or its characters. Did you expect, on a public debate forum, to be surrounded by fellow believers with no opposition views expressed?
Again, Holy Huddle sub-forum may be more comfortable for those who wish to preach to one another about their god beliefs.
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #55You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #56Means exactly what it says.Zzyzx wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:04 pm .
"So many others like me"? What, exactly, does that mean?
Many who debate here have no reverence for the Bible or its characters. Did you expect, on a public debate forum, to be surrounded by fellow believers with no opposition views expressed?
Again, Holy Huddle sub-forum may be more comfortable for those who wish to preach to one another about their god beliefs.
Pay attention. I don't care if you have no reverence for the Bible. My point was that it doesn't matter the subject to you and others like you. If God, Christ, or the Bible is in it, then you immediately set out to mock or discredit. Concerning this subject matter, it is not a question of 'is the Bible true or not'.
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #57It says nothing at all (but suggests disapproval).
Try to contain your emotions and debate the topic rather than ranting at other members.Quantrill wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:42 pm Pay attention. I don't care if you have no reverence for the Bible. My point was that it doesn't matter the subject to you and others like you. If God, Christ, or the Bible is in it, then you immediately set out to mock or discredit. Concerning this subject matter, it is not a question of 'is the Bible true or not'.
The Bible is NOT immune from criticism in this sub-forum. Again, Holy Huddle, might be more comfortable for those who become irate when the Bible is criticized.
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #58First of all, Christ is addressing the Pharisees in (Mark 10:1-9). (Mark 10:9) doesn't say divorce is not an option. Jesus Christ already acknowledged that divorce had been granted by God though Moses. (Mark. 10:3-5) (Deut. 24:1-4) But, though it was allowed, it was not the best way as Christ stated in (Mark 10:6). The best way was "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder". And, this is true.Clownboat wrote: ↑Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:09 pm
He is likely pointing to the fact that here on this debate forum, it is the claimed Christians that have the hardest time following the rules that we all agreed to upon joining. This can be verified in the 'Probabtion' forum.
Makes it seem as though they are less honorable when compared to atheists that debate here when you would think the opposite should be true if they really had a god on their side. When I was a Christian, I know that thinking I had a god on my side helped me to cope with my intolerence for homosexuals and Muslims to name a couple.
Wow! Poison the well much.
To the OP: Divorce is not an option if we look to Mark.
Mark 10:9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.
Mark 10:11 He (Jesus) answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
If you don't like what Jesus says, just reference other parts of the Bible and ignore what is claimed in Mark that Jesus said.
Second of all, Christ is addressing his disciples in (Mark 10:10-12). And just as He has said Moses allowed Israel to divorce due to their hardness of heart, yet it wasn't always so. He tells and expects of His people not to divorce. He then says if you do divorce your spouse, and you marry another, then you are guilty of adultery.
Third of all, you must remember that the Mosaic Law is still in place. All that Christ is saying to both Pharisees and disciples, is to a people under the law. Christianity does not exist at this time. Just because (Matt.), (Mark), (Luke), are in the New Testament, doesn't mean they are on New Testament ground. They are not. It is Old Testament. And in (Matt. 5:31-32) where Christ limits the only cause for divorce to be fornication, Christ is speaking of the laws of the Kingdom to come. The whole Sermon on the Mount was about the laws of the Kingdom. And they will be more strict than the laws of Moses. This is not Christianity either. The Kingdom to come would be when Christ rules in Jerusalem over a repentant Israel and over the world. Christians can of course make application of these laws to themselves. But they are not laws that we are under.
Fourth of all, the Christian view of marriage and divorce should be taken from the New Testament epistles especially (1 Cor. 7:1-16).
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Re: Why is divorce not an option for Christians?
Post #59You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb