"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"

[Zzyzx]

Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?

If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?

If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?

What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?

[JehovahsWitness]

. The Lord God acknowledges the name Jesus and Hesus, ....

You cant find anywhere from the words uttered by Almighty God verbatim in his communications where he verbatim says "my name is Jesus and Hesus", that's just your opinion.

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #405]

Did my response contain any presumption on my part that I know you?

Yes. It contained the presumption that you know me.

All I know is that all of us need Jesus if we want to be saved, no more, no less, unless you'll say you're an exception to this need of everybody.

Even so, this is not a forum for preaching at others.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #405]

Did my response contain any presumption on my part that I know you?

Yes. It contained the presumption that you know me.

How?

All I know is that all of us need Jesus if we want to be saved, no more, no less, unless you'll say you're an exception to this need of everybody.

Even so, this is not a forum for preaching at others.

You asked, and I responded, and vice versa.

[OneJack]

. The Lord God acknowledges the name Jesus and Hesus, ....

You cant find anywhere from the words uttered by Almighty God verbatim in his communications where he verbatim says "my name is Jesus and Hesus", that's just your opinion.

Not all that God uttered to us was written.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #404]

but not long ago you called me a liar (said I was lying) and even after I proceed to show that this was not the case, you never even bothered to reply to that OR apologise.

William how am I supposed to respond to this? This is the internet. There is a record for everything. For this, the record is here:

viewtopic.php?p=1187460#p1187460

A - I called a statement you made a lie (and it was)
B - I did 'bother to reply' - unfortunately for you, that reply showed that your statement was indeed FALSE
C - I did not apologize because I did not speak falsely about you to begin with

tammy you are play a semantics game here and the dishonesty is apparent.

That statement was not the first time I have asked you for verbatim transcripts between the voice you here and yourself. You cannot possibly have mistaken my request by providing what you did reply or for that matter hope that what you did give was in any way what I was then and have been asking you for.

The very fact that you also said that you wouldn't put your lord in a "sideshow" as a reason for NOT giving over what was asked of you, proves that you knew (and still know) what I was asking for.

From the Does Christ speak and how? thread.
Post #317 William asks Tammy to provide a sample dialogue formatted as a transcript between herself and the voice she claims is Christ, in order to facilitate ongoing testing of her claim.

Post #322 William explains that he needs a sample dialogue between Tam and the voice she claims is Christ as part of the procedure for testing her claim, noting that quoting Bible verses alone does not distinguish her from any other Christian. He asks "Is there some reason why you would not want the reader having such examples?"

Post #325 William reiterates his request for a verbatim, court-stenographer-level transcript of an internal conversation with the voice, warning that refusal will leave readers with the impression her claim is untrustworthy.

This is made clear where William answers tams question "Are you referring to the content? The message? Something my Lord said to me?" and William answers "No. I am wanting you to share what occurs in your mind re the voice as conversation verbatim - as it happens - word for word as if you were a court stenographer recording the words spoken in a court of law.

And also "I keep asking for an example of the type of conversation - verbatim - that goes on in your mind between the voice claiming to be Christ and your self Tam." which makes clear William is not asking tam for anything less that a full conversation.

conversation/ˌkɒnvəˈseɪʃn/A conversation is an interactive exchange of thoughts, ideas, or feelings between two or more people. It serves as a fundamental human tool for building relationships, transferring information, and sharing differing perspectives. A successful conversation relies on a dynamic back-and-forth flow.


Post #327 William insists that testing her claim requires verbatim back-and-forth transcripts of her internal conversations with the voice, and concludes that without such evidence, she is no different from any other Christian.

William gives example questions Q: What does the voice say to you regarding the kind of worship YHVH 'desires'?
William makes it very clear what he is asking from tam by writing "Yes Tam. As explained to you already, in order to test the spirit re this claim, we require actual verbatim back and forth examples, so that we can ascertain what is actually being said to you - what you actually hear."

Post #329 : William notes that no verbatim conversation transcripts exist even in the OP, and argues that since her relationship with the voice is ongoing, she could easily record and share current dialogues.
He specifically writes "I am asking for verbatim samples in which the reader can assess what is happening in you mind, and I have no memory of seeing anything of the sort from your writing, and there is no example of verbatim interaction between you and the voice, even in the OP of this thread."

CLEARLY tammy, I have not been lying.

Because I have never said such a thing.

You have indeed inferred such tam. This is alongside the repeated requests for verbatim conversations between you and this voice you hear and claim as Christs.
If you are saying therein that what you were saying is that rather than people ask you for these verbatim transcripts that they ask Christ themselves aka have their own relationship with Christ, this is simply deflection insinuating that those who question you about this and reasonably ask for transcripts, don't have a relationship with Christ.

I have laid out the evidence clearly, post by post, demonstrating that your denial does not hold up. The distinction you try to draw between "asking Christ to verify me" and "asking Christ to learn the truth of the content" is exposed as a semantic evasion. I have shown that my requests were specific, repeated, and unambiguous. Your refusal to provide what was asked, combined with your stated reason about not putting your Lord on display, confirms that you know exactly what I have been requesting. Your accusation that I lied is therefore unfounded, and your failure to apologize or correct the record speaks for itself.

[JehovahsWitness]

. The Lord God acknowledges the name Jesus and Hesus, ....

You cant find anywhere from the words uttered by Almighty God verbatim in his communications where he verbatim says "my name is Jesus and Hesus", that's just your opinion.

Not all that God uttered to us was written.

So you don't deny that you cannot find anywhere in your writtings where God uttered the words "My name is Jesus".... let me get this straight, there exist no written record of God EVER saying "My name is Jesus" all we have is your imperfect recollection from an experience 20 years ago interpreted by your family and posted on the internet? For all we know he said "My friend is Jesus" and you are just recollecting it wrongly. This is a massive "FAIL" on your part or rather on the part of the wannabe impersonator... he failed to state his name catagorically and failed to instruct you to write his statement for humanity.

On the other hand we DO have the verbatim written and testified record from the Prophet Isaiah. Isaiah quoted Almighty God himself ....

“Ako si Yahweh; iyan ang aking pangalan.” — Isaias 42:8a

* World English Bible — “I am **Yahweh**. That is my name.”

* Legacy Standard Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is My name”

* Jerusalem Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is my name!”

* New Jerusalem Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is my name!”

* Lexham English Bible — “I am **Yahweh**; that is my name”

* The Scriptures — “I am **יהוה**, that is My Name”

* HalleluYah Scriptures — “I am **יהוה**, that is My Name”

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #416]

יהוה: Core Architecture & Rules = Creator-Player Duality + Mandatory Amnesia + Emergent Authenticity + Temporary & Perilous Avatars.

Me: Yes that seems to sum things up adequately re the human experience...

יהוה: Regimented + Productive

[OneJack]

. The Lord God acknowledges the name Jesus and Hesus, ....

You cant find anywhere from the words uttered by Almighty God verbatim in his communications where he verbatim says "my name is Jesus and Hesus", that's just your opinion.

Not all that God uttered to us was written.

So you don't deny that you cannot find anywhere in your writtings where God uttered the words "My name is Jesus".... let me get this straight, there exist no written record of God EVER saying "My name is Jesus" all we have is your imperfect recollection from an experience 20 years ago interpreted by your family and posted on the internet? For all we know he said "My friend is Jesus" and you are just recollecting it wrongly. This is a massive "FAIL" on your part or rather on the part of the wannabe impersonator... he failed to state his name catagorically and failed to instruct you to write his statement for humanity.

On the other hand we DO have the verbatim written and testified record from the Prophet Isaiah. Isaiah quoted Almighty God himself ....

“Ako si Yahweh; iyan ang aking pangalan.” — Isaias 42:8a

* World English Bible — “I am **Yahweh**. That is my name.”

* Legacy Standard Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is My name”

* Jerusalem Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is my name!”

* New Jerusalem Bible — “I am **Yahweh**, that is my name!”

* Lexham English Bible — “I am **Yahweh**; that is my name”

* The Scriptures — “I am **יהוה**, that is My Name”

* HalleluYah Scriptures — “I am **יהוה**, that is My Name”

For your information, the Lord Jesus taught us many times that His name is Jesus, the name which even Adam and Eve knew from the very beginning. Why do you perpetually make the scriptures as God? Why can't you learn to come to and call on the Lord God and ask Him what His name is to give you peace of mind in this regard? It's not my fault now that God acknowledges not the name Jehovah as His name.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #404]

but not long ago you called me a liar (said I was lying) and even after I proceed to show that this was not the case, you never even bothered to reply to that OR apologise.

William how am I supposed to respond to this? This is the internet. There is a record for everything. For this, the record is here:

viewtopic.php?p=1187460#p1187460

A - I called a statement you made a lie (and it was)
B - I did 'bother to reply' - unfortunately for you, that reply showed that your statement was indeed FALSE
C - I did not apologize because I did not speak falsely about you to begin with

tammy you are play a semantics game here and the dishonesty is apparent.

William, your statement was false. If you meant something different than what you said - then say what you mean instead of blaming me for responding to what you said. Stop saying that I have not shared words that my Lord said to me 'verbatim.'

That statement was not the first time I have asked you for verbatim transcripts between the voice you here and yourself.

Pages 32-36 on that thread covers both your statements and my responses. I see no reason to have the exact same conversation again here.

You cannot possibly have mistaken my request by providing what you did reply or for that matter hope that what you did give was in any way what I was then and have been asking you for.

The very fact that you also said that you wouldn't put your lord in a "sideshow" as a reason for NOT giving over what was asked of you, proves that you knew (and still know) what I was asking for.

It proves nothing of the sort. My statement about the sideshow applies equally for a single sentence or multiple.

And also "I keep asking for an example of the type of conversation - verbatim - that goes on in your mind between the voice claiming to be Christ and your self Tam."which makes clear William is not asking tam for anything less that a full conversation.

You have received this (the bold). It may not be what you want, or what you expect, or what you claim to have yourself. But you did receive 'what goes on' (not in my mind, but in the spirit.)

I will also say to you what I said to OneJack (and what I clearly posted in the OP of that thread): not everything is in words.

See also Romans 8:26-27

Because I have never said such a thing.

You have indeed inferred such tam.

I have not. It never even crossed my mind.

This is alongside the repeated requests for verbatim conversations between you and this voice you hear and claim as Christs.
If you are saying therein that what you were saying is that rather than people ask you for these verbatim transcripts that they ask Christ themselves aka have their own relationship with Christ, this is simply deflection insinuating that those who question you about this and reasonably ask for transcripts, don't have a relationship with Christ.

William, you might want to consider why you see that in my post. Because I have been honest and upfront from the start:

If I have shared anything that helps anyone, then great. If not, then no problem. I am not the one people should be listening to if they are following or desiring to follow Christ... I can only point TO that One: Christ Jaheshua, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, the Chosen One of Jah. Christ, who is Himself, the faithful and true witness of His Father, Jah.

If one wants to know the truth of this matter** themselves... then ask Christ. That is how one can confirm for themselves. Ask for ears to hear, and in the meantime DO what He has said to do, so that you prove yourself to Him. He does not have to prove Himself to us.

**the matter in this instance being that Christ speaks

[OneJack]

[Replying to tam in post #419]

what I said to OneJack (and what I clearly posted in the OP of that thread): not everything is in words.

What did the 'still small voice' send you for, tam? What is his sole purpose in speaking to you? What benefit do our souls take in this regard?