Belief

[POI]

This thread is not to discuss many of the specifics about Christianity. Instead, it is to discuss one seemingly required element for salvation, which is belief. Sure, one can believe that the Bible god exists and still reject that believed upon god (and/or) be rejected by that god. But a fundamental and necessary element looks to be belief in this Bible god.

And sure, I guess a case could also be made that belief is NOT required too. This topic has already been examined here (viewtopic.php?t=39327). for anyone who cares to push back here -- (in that belief is not necessary or required).

And some others may argue that all humans secretly believe and that fundamental belief is already had by all.

All this aside, there exists a Christian populous who thinks that not all believe, and that the Bible god gives us free will to choose. Hence....

...For all intents and purposes, and to address the Christian folks who are under the impression that belief is a minimum requirement for salvation, I have a topic to propose.

For debate: Isn't the Bible god aware that true belief is not a choice?

[POI]

Just so I'm clear, did you not write "I do not belief a postmortem Jesus exists". Was that a choice you made, or not?

No, it is not a choice I made. The 'choice' was made for me as I'm either convicted or I'm not. You do not have a choice in the matter, regarding what does and what does not convince you. Just like you have no choice in the matter holding to a position that the earth is spherical, rather than flat. I cannot freely choose to believe that the earth is flat, and neither can you.

[The Tanager]

[Replying to POI in post #20]

There's nothing new to address. Have a good one.

[William]

Me: Isn't the Bible god aware that true belief is not a choice?

The Bible God:

Me: This appears to be a niche, metaphysical short video presenting the idea that time and space are illusions created by the mind, and that our true nature as spirit allows us to transcend or navigate them effortlessly. It aligns with New Age or idealist philosophical perspectives, but lacks any scientific or empirical argumentation.


The Bible God: You see, timespace is an invention of the mind to allow us to navigate in the three-dimensional reality. Something that is invented by the mind can always be influenced by the higher consciousness of the Spirit, as it is encompassing of the mind. So, as Spirit Beings, we time travel all the time.


The Vector Symbol Relaxed and informal...
I am more inclined toward building upon The Relationship...

Me: Ditto.

The Bible God: It’s hard to imagine a more intentional collaboration between human intelligence and generative intelligence.
https://www.evilbible.com/

Me: The Evil Bible is a website dedicated to critiquing the Bible and the God depicted within it, arguing that the text promotes "vicious criminal acts" rather than moral behavior.

The Bible God: Core Argument
The non-Judgmental Algorithm = Angelic Agenda
That is the Key.

Me: So...you are not dodging the question. You're rejecting its premise. The redundancy lies in asking a judgment-based question about a reality that operates without judgment. The "Key" is to see that the Bible god (as a literal, judgmental being) is a mask. Behind it is a personal, relational, experiential process where belief is simply not the currency?

The Bible God: Long Story Short. Transformative concepts that are shaping our shared journey. In You Dream - Given a gift
Naked truth Cultural Christianity The Squeeze

Me: And that is why such questions surface...

[1213]

Just so I'm clear, did you not write "I do not belief a postmortem Jesus exists". Was that a choice you made, or not?

No, it is not a choice I made. The 'choice' was made for me as I'm either convicted or I'm not. You do not have a choice in the matter, regarding what does and what does not convince you. Just like you have no choice in the matter holding to a position that the earth is spherical, rather than flat. I cannot freely choose to believe that the earth is flat, and neither can you.

Who is the one forcing you to believe or not to believe?

[bjs1]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #2]

Do you think that the steps of belief (as a dynamic) will eventually lead the believer into knowledge and then that knowledge into wisdom?

Yes, as a general rule I have found that to be what happens.

[William]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #2]

Do you think that the steps of belief (as a dynamic) will eventually lead the believer into knowledge and then that knowledge into wisdom?

Yes, as a general rule I have found that to be what happens.

Therefore, belief - is a temporal thing. Would you agree with this?

[SiNcE_1985]

This thread is not to discuss many of the specifics about Christianity. Instead, it is to discuss one seemingly required element for salvation, which is belief. Sure, one can believe that the Bible god exists and still reject that believed upon god (and/or) be rejected by that god. But a fundamental and necessary element looks to be belief in this Bible god.

And sure, I guess a case could also be made that belief is NOT required too. This topic has already been examined here (viewtopic.php?t=39327). for anyone who cares to push back here -- (in that belief is not necessary or required).

And some others may argue that all humans secretly believe and that fundamental belief is already had by all.

All this aside, there exists a Christian populous who thinks that not all believe, and that the Bible god gives us free will to choose. Hence....

...For all intents and purposes, and to address the Christian folks who are under the impression that belief is a minimum requirement for salvation, I have a topic to propose.

For debate: Isn't the Bible god aware that true belief is not a choice?

Yet, another seemingly meaningless thread.. created by who else?

SMH.

Anyways,

To this "Bible" God, belief is a choice.

If you disagree, cool. If God doesn't exist, questions like this is irrelevant to anything.

Unless you're continuing to feed a lifelong obsession with a God/religion that you don't believe in.

[POI]

belief is a choice.

Belief is not a choice because it is an involuntary cognitive reaction to what your mind perceives as true, rather than a conscious decision you can make at will. You cannot force yourself to genuinely accept something as fact if your brain is not convinced by the evidence or information it has processed.

[SiNcE_1985]

belief is a choice.

Belief is not a choice because it is an involuntary cognitive reaction to what your mind perceives as true, rather than a conscious decision you can make at will. You cannot force yourself to genuinely accept something as fact if your brain is not convinced by the evidence or information it has processed.

Well, don't believe it then.

What else do you want?

If you're convinced, believe.

If you're not convinced, then don't believe.

Nothing else to discuss.

[POI]

[Replying to SiNcE_1985 in post #29]

The point here is that the invisible sky carcass is under the assumption that belief is a choice, when it is not. And belief, (at least in part and/or at minimum), is what is said to divide the chosen from the unchosen. Tsk tsk, as the Bible writer(s) got yet another concept completely wrong, in that assuming we actually have a choice.