Three Resurrection Questions

[Perspectivo]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

3 If they were right about Jesus's resurrection were they right about John's?


1 When Paul and Barnabas performed miracles in a non-Jewish setting, the people interpreted the miracles with their cultural beliefs: Barnabas is Jupiter and Paul Mercurius, Acts 14:12-22.
When Jesus performs miracles in a Jewish setting,Herod as well as others said, "John the Baptist must be resurrected to have such powers", Matthew 14:2, Luke 9:7. There is nothing in 1st century Jewish cultural beliefs to support this conclusion. Their cultural beliefs would have assumed a miracle maker was a prophet.

2 If John didn't rise from the dead, even though people were saying he did, why should Jesus' resurrection be accepted just because people were saying he did? Maybe the original rumor inspired the latter.

3 If people were correct about Jesus' resurrection since it had multiple attestation, were they correct about John's resurrection since it had multiple attestation? The Bible doesn't say John didn't rise from the dead.

[POI]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #20]

I actually was not being sarcastic. I'm sorry you felt I was. I'm genuinely curious to know what you believe and why you believe it. The term 'religious reasons' generates the following answer, via Google AI:

People have many reasons for being religious, including a desire for comfort, a sense of purpose, and a desire to connect with others.

Comfort and security:

Religion can provide a sense of comfort and security.

It can help people feel more engaged with their families and communities.

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Is this what you mean, or are there rational/viable reasons to believe? I'm willing to bet you your belief is not based upon comfort, and I would like to know what those reason(s) are??? Hence, the reason I directed you over to the other thread.

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #20]

I actually was not being sarcastic. I'm sorry you felt I was. I'm genuinely curious to know what you believe and why you believe it. The term 'religious reasons' generates the following answer, via Google AI:

People have many reasons for being religious, including a desire for comfort, a sense of purpose, and a desire to connect with others.

Comfort and security:

Religion can provide a sense of comfort and security.

It can help people feel more engaged with their families and communities.

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Is this what you mean, or are there rational/viable reasons to believe? I'm willing to bet you your belief is not based upon comfort, and I would like to know what those reason(s) are??? Hence, the reason I directed you over to the other thread.

I'm not religious, that's why my OP and my exchanges with everyone thas been against the resurrection. You're the only one who views my OP as pro-Christian. I figured you were being sarcastic, and returned the sarcasm, but now I understand that you indeed think my OP is pro-Christian.


I am arguing against Christianity, not for it. Sorry for the confusion

I guess I could argue for Christianity as a mental exercise to help sharpen my witts. I noticed you made a few new topics. Maybe I'll drop by later.

[BrotherBerry]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

3 If they were right about Jesus's resurrection were they right about John's?




I'm assuming the response to my first question will be : they thought John the Baptist rose from the dead because Jesus was performing miracles, , very well, but please explain why they would think that and please cite sources to support the reason. People performed miracles in the Old Testament and nobody said: somebody is doing miracles, ergo somebody rose from the dead to have the ability to do them.



I look forward to your answers and your sources.

Only Herod thought John rose from the dead.

Greetings BrotherBerry

People were saying John the baptist rose from the dead, Luke 9:7. It wasn't just Herod the fox.

You're right. My bad.

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #4]

Thanks for correcting me . You are right, Luke 9:7 and Mark 8:28 are clear that it was not only Herod who thought John had risen. However, I still believe the main point of my statement, even if I was wrong about who believed it. Luke 9:7 and Mark 8:28, say ‘some were saying’ and ‘others say.’ This still sound like speculation and rumor, not established fact. Even the disciples in Mark 8:28 just relay what ‘people’ are saying, they are not claiming to believe it themselves.

Number two, as for why people were wrong about John, John and Jesus is both powerful prophets who come from God. John prepared the way for Jesus. People know that John was a great prophet, maybe the greatest prophet before Jesus, as Jesus said himself in Matthew 11:11, ‘Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist.’ So, when John is killd, and then Jesus appeared, also doing miracles and preaching powerfully, maybe some people think the power of God that resurrect John is working in John. I think they have not seen Jesus face too, they just speculate. And i think that John's resurrection did not not have multiple attestation. ‘Saying’ something actually doesn't make it true and a fact. People say many things that are not true.

Maybe John's resurrection was a rumor like you say, and maybe that rumor caused another rumor, that Jesus rose from the dead. The first rumor inspired the second.

You're right, saying somebody rose from the dead doesn't make it true. Everybody's arguing my argument for me.

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1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

1) Is it not told in the Bible, next to where you get this idea?
2) I don't believe so. Also, were they even same people who witnessed Jesus' resurrection and those who thought john had risen? Why?

[Perspectivo]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

1) Is it not told in the Bible, next to where you get this idea?
2) I don't believe so. Also, were they even same people who witnessed Jesus' resurrection and those who thought john had risen? Why?

Herod believed the reason Jesus was doing miracles is because John rose from the dead. Why would the ability to do miracles necessitate the resurrection of the miracle worker? Why did people believe John rose from the dead, Luke 9:7? Why did people think Jesus was John, Mark 8:28? Why didn't Jesus or his disciples correct them?

Where does it say they stopped believing John rose from the dead? People believed it. People were saying it. The government via Herod was saying it.

[Verily]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

3 If they were right about Jesus's resurrection were they right about John's?


1 When Paul and Barnabas performed miracles in a non-Jewish setting, the people interpreted the miracles with their cultural beliefs: Barnabas is Jupiter and Paul Mercurius, Acts 14:12-22.
When Jesus performs miracles in a Jewish setting,Herod as well as others said, "John the Baptist must be resurrected to have such powers", Matthew 14:2, Luke 9:7. There is nothing in 1st century Jewish cultural beliefs to support this conclusion.

John said the kingdom of God was at hand and somebody mightier than him was coming, Matthew 3:2,11. That expectation was the 1st century context.

Their cultural beliefs would have assumed a miracle maker was a prophet.

Correct, and some people thought Jesus was a prophet, Matthew 21:11, but some were thinking John rose from the dead, or Elijah or some other prophet returned. That is their interpretation of what John meant by, someone mightier is coming. The authors of the gospels assume the reader is keeping up with the narrative and knows that Jesus is the target of John's announcement. It is also possible that Jesus' veiled references to his upcoming resurrection got applied to John by confused individuals.

2 If John didn't rise from the dead, even though people were saying he did, why should Jesus' resurrection be accepted just because people were saying he did? Maybe the original rumor inspired the latter.

The rumors were based off peoples interpretation of John's message: someone mightier than I is coming. Confused people's interpretations of John's message, does not negate Jesus' resurrection, it strengthens it. Jesus' ministry astounded people to such a degree, that they thought Jesus must be a spectacularly unique prophet. Elijah or Jeremiah or John the Baptist returned to the earth with amazing power. Some thought Jesus was demon possessed, others regarded him as the Christ. The authors assume the reader is keeping up with the narrative and understands that Jesus is the Christ and not a resurrected John the Baptist. So the narrative doesn't waste time clarifying that John didn't rise from the dead, or Jesus was not Elijah, etc.

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Herod believed the reason Jesus was doing miracles is because John rose from the dead. Why would the ability to do miracles necessitate the resurrection of the miracle worker?

That should be asked from the people who taught so. Bible doesn't claim the reason why Jesus did miracles was that John rose from the dead.

Why did people believe John rose from the dead, Luke 9:7? Why did people think Jesus was John, Mark 8:28? Why didn't Jesus or his disciples correct them?

Where does it say they stopped believing John rose from the dead? People believed it. People were saying it. The government via Herod was saying it.

Those scriptures tell that there were many beliefs. It doesn't say they are all correct.

And Herod the tetrarch heard all the things happening by Him, and was puzzled, because of the saying by some that John had been raised from the dead,
Luke 9:7
And they answered, John the Baptist, and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.
Mark 8:28

Bible also explains how it really was, what was the reason.

...The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works....
John 14:10-14
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19