Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

[oldbadger]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

[TRANSPONDER]

Higher commandments means for example the ten commandments that were given as the condition in the covenant that was made through Moses.

Yahweh said to Moses, "Write you these words: for in accord-ance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." He was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread, nor drank water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Exod. 34:27-28

"you shall love your neighbor as yourself"
Lev. 19:18

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."
Matt. 22:36-40

Thank you for the above.
Of course for success each and every one of the 613 laws had to be kept or there could be failures. Sin lead to failures, in safety, security, health, strength, cohesian or success.

Of course. As Paul points out, all fall short, so the mosaic law cannot save. But who said Paul had to make sense? Everybody fails to be perfect, even Jesus, but he is Excused because of is status. Doctrinally, everyone is damned even if they ARE perfect, because everyone is worthy of damning because they are children of Adam.

So, in the end, it comes down to forgiveness, not deeds. Whether one observes the Commandments or babbles in Tongues while texting an appeal for donations...

I am so glad to be out of any of it (yes, even Buddhism) and none of it has power over me.

[POI]

And yes, I've asked 1213 this before too. Outside maybe the 10 Commandments, I do not think there exists some official hierarchy raking system of law(s).

Sure. Nor does there exist such ranking.

Any of the 613 laws ignored carried with them the risk of 'failure'. Sin = Failure... the Christian version of 'sin' is mumbo-jumbo imo.
And the reason why things went so badly wrong for the Israelites is that they were ignored. So many prophets lamented that.

I think all the laws, (ignored or not ignored), are human constructs alone.

[POI]

...As long as it is unclean.

Under Mosaic law, pork IS unclean. Period. Thus, any Christian who has ever eaten any Christmas ham, or any BLT sandwich, or other, is a cherry picker.

Only if person obeys all the rules given by God.

God only provides a few restrictions.

- Don't kill them
- Don't knock out their eyes/teeth.

But they are deemed your lifetime property, by your beloved Bible. And since the purpose of a slave is to serve as cheap labor, whipping them on the back to increase productivity, is perfectly fine. Also, breeding them, to produce new lifetime slaves, is fine as well - (Exodus 21:4).

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Remember 1213, as I stated a few replies ago, there exists 100's of Mosiac laws. You either purposefully ignore/rationalize/other some of them, or, are not even aware that you are violating some of them due to ignorance. For example, if your wife has ever worn any of your cloths, for any reason at all, you are in violation of a "Mosaic law".

[oldbadger]

For example, if your wife has ever worn any of your cloths, for any reason at all, you are in violation of a "Mosaic law".

Which law banned wives from wearing their hubby's coat?

[POI]

For example, if your wife has ever worn any of your cloths, for any reason at all, you are in violation of a "Mosaic law".

Which law banned wives from wearing their hubby's coat?

Deut. 22:5:

"A woman must not wear men's clothing".....

[oldbadger]

For example, if your wife has ever worn any of your cloths, for any reason at all, you are in violation of a "Mosaic law".

Which law banned wives from wearing their hubby's coat?

Deut. 22:5:

"A woman must not wear men's clothing".....

Thank you POI.
Of course, men and women may not swap clothing. Men must not be effeminate in manners. Yep.

Back then couples in locked marriage and producing children were what built up the size and strength of the Israelites.
Adultery could spread sickness = failure

It's a pity that Christianity does not treat sin as losing strength, health, cohesion etc but which insists on superstitious nonsense. Oh well.

[1213]

...Whatever the Hebrews back then or indeed now though an Israelite was or was not is irrelevant. ...

I disagree. But, it is ok, if you can't define the word. Then I can say, all of the people living in Israel were Israelis and then all the rules for Israelis would also apply to all the slaves also.

You are surely teasing us. But you miss the point. I may have my own idea of what an Israelite is. but it is irrelevant. If everyone loving in Israel was an Israelite, then those living outside were Foreigners, and from them a Hebrew could buy slave...

yeah, and when they would come to live in Israel, they would become also Israelite, because they would have to live by the same rules.

[1213]

...God only provides a few restrictions....

God gave the rule, love your neighbor as yourself. I think that restricts all evil actions. If you obey that, you can't oppress anyone.

[TRANSPONDER]

...Whatever the Hebrews back then or indeed now though an Israelite was or was not is irrelevant. ...

I disagree. But, it is ok, if you can't define the word. Then I can say, all of the people living in Israel were Israelis and then all the rules for Israelis would also apply to all the slaves also.

You are surely teasing us. But you miss the point. I may have my own idea of what an Israelite is. but it is irrelevant. If everyone loving in Israel was an Israelite, then those living outside were Foreigners, and from them a Hebrew could buy slave...

yeah, and when they would come to live in Israel, they would become also Israelite, because they would have to live by the same rules.

What? Obligatory conversion doe immigrants? No, they would be foreigners - there is a text about treating them decently - but they would not be Israelites nor live by Jewish laws, apart from not keeping pigs. There are limits.

Leviticus 19.33 "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

...God only provides a few restrictions....

God gave the rule, love your neighbor as yourself. I think that restricts all evil actions. If you obey that, you can't oppress anyone.

It only shows that the Bible is self -contradictory, unreliable and man - made, and that Christianity is cukturally distinct from Judaism - different gods created by different cultures.

You may refuse to see it but you can't fool others.

Treating foreigners that live amongst you decently is one thing, but treatment of slaves is not the same. The laws protect only Israelites who are slaves, not foreign slaves. They are owned as property for life and you can treat them how one likes.

Even if one treated them kindly, even freed them, that would be more moral than the Bible itself says. Human morality is better than Biblical.

[POI]

...God only provides a few restrictions....

God gave the rule, love your neighbor as yourself. I think that restricts all evil actions. If you obey that, you can't oppress anyone.

As already stated, such rules have no hierarchy. This means your stated "golden rule" neither (outweighs or outranks) any other rule. Hence, we see a direct contradiction:

"God given rule": Treat others like you want to be treated
"God given rule": You may keep slaves, as property, for life. You may also beat them with impunity. You may pass them down to your kids.

The only way to 'resolve' this contraction is to 1) cherry pick or 2) ignore one rule to favor the other rule. Such chattel slavery is evil, according to you, otherwise, you would not be giving the responses you are giving. Hence, you are rationalizing. and/or cherry picking. Unfortunately for the Christian, what you are doing here is really the is the ONLY option you've got.