People in Crisis

[placebofactor]

I know from experience that many people without the knowledge of the Bible, in a last-ditch effort to put away things like drugs, alcohol, or some perverse lifestyle, have prayed to God, a God they do not know, and almost instantly they turned their lives around and began to study the Bible, and become a new person.

What I’m describing is one of the most striking and beautiful patterns in Christian experience, and it lines up with something deeply biblical. God will meet people long before they understand Him. In fact, the above is exactly how countless Christians throughout history have come to faith.

Many people in crisis will cry out to a God they barely know, and He will answer. This is one of the clearest demonstrations of his grace. They don’t know theology. They don’t know doctrine. They don’t know the Trinity, and most don’t even know what they’re asking for. But they know they’re at the end of themselves.

And God responds. This is not because their prayer is theologically precise. It’s because God is merciful, and He delights to rescue people who are drowning. Even before someone knows the Bible, the Holy Spirit can convict, draw, awaken, break chains, and create a hunger for truth.

This is not a “new revelation.” It’s God applying the truth of Scripture to a heart that hasn’t read it yet. In other words, the Holy Spirit prepares the heart before the mind catches up.

What usually follows? they turn to the Bible. Those in crisis don’t stay in vague spirituality; they don’t build a religion out of their experience, nor do they follow “any spirit.” What they do seek is the word, then Christ, truth, and holiness.

This is the proof that their experience was genuine. A true encounter with God always leads a person toward Scripture, not away from it.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

OneJack, have a happy and prosperous New Year:

A Blessed and Fruitful New Year, placebofactor!

“Emmanuel” in Matthew 1:23 is not Jesus’ personal name but a prophetic title that describes His identity as “God with us.” Matthew uses the Hebrew word Immanuel and explains its meaning to show that Jesus fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy by bringing God’s presence to His people.

I wonder why many biblical believers conclude Immanuel and Eternal Father are not the names of Jesus, but his (Jesus) ‘prophetic titles’ - a description neither the angel nor the prophet ever said to Joseph and Mary. Do you perceive the three decrees of God, which unilaterally state, “his (son to be born of Mary) name shall be called Immanuel (Isa 7:14), Mighty God, Eternal Father ( Isa 9:5), and Jesus (Matt 1:21),’ convoluted? Since Jesus is one of the names mentioned, saying ‘Immanuel is not the name of Jesus, or Eternal Father is not the name of Jesus, but prophetic titles render a misconception of the crux of God’s decrees.

Matthew said that the good tidings brought by the angel to Joseph that says, ‘And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins’ is the fulfillment of the old prophecy of the prophet Isaiah, saying, ‘And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.’ Therefore, we can conclude that Immanuel, in the OT prophecy, is revealed in the NT by the good tidings brought by an angel to Joseph and Mary, as Jesus, so were the names Mighty God and Eternal Father, in this context - Jesus is also Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, as far as those names [not the physical body of the male son, per se] are concernef.

Essentiak Question: What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?

Matthew 1:23 does not say that “Emmanuel” was Jesus’ everyday proper name. Instead, Matthew is explaining that the title Emmanuel expresses who Jesus is, not what people would call Him daily. Matthew quotes Isaiah 7:14 and then adds an explanation:

“They shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

A few key points emerge from the commentaries and explanations: “Emmanuel” is a title describing Jesus’ identity, not His given name. The verse is presented as the fulfillment of prophecy, not as a birth certificate name.
Commentaries emphasize that the prophecy is about what the child will be God present with His people, not about what Mary and Joseph would literally name Him.

The angel explicitly commands Joseph to name the child Jesus (Greek Iēsous, Hebrew Yeshua) earlier in the same passage, Matthew 1:21. Matthew never suggests that Jesus was ever addressed as “Emmanuel” in daily life.
Matthew writes the Hebrew name Immanuel (Ἐμμανουήλ is simply the Greek spelling of the Hebrew). He then translates it for his Greek-speaking readers: “God with us.”

The decree of God is plain and simple in this context - He commanded all to call his (male son born of Mary) name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus, isn’t His decree? Where are thou, placebofactor?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to OneJack in post #11]

OneJack we both know that Matthew 1:23 is taken from Isaiah 7:14. Now, let’s look at the details of Isaiah 7.
At that time, King Pekah of Israel (King of the ten Northern tribes) had become allies with King Rezin of Syria. Pekah had recently gone into Judea and killed 120,000 in one day and took 200,000 from Judea captive. The King of Syria had taken the fortified city of Elath and carried the inhabitants away to Damascus.

Now King Ahaz of Judah was afraid his enemies would destroy Jerusalem. It was then that the LORD sent Isaiah to remove Ahaz’s fears. Isaiah was told to tell the King that his enemies would not stand, and they would be destroyed. In Isaiah 7:11, the LORD asked King Ahaz to ask for a sign from God, but Ahaz said, “I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.”

So, the LORD told the King, “Okay, I’ll give you a sign.” Of course, this sign would come 700 years later in the form of the Son of God. The LORD said to the King, “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son; and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat ---.” Now, the divine and human nature of our Lord, as well as the miraculous conception, appear to be pointed out in the prophecy quoted here by Isaiah.

“He shall call his name Im-menu-el;” in Hebrew, it means “the strong God with us.” This is similar to the words in the New Testament, John 1:1, “the Word was God,” with verse 14, “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.” 1 Timothy 3:16 states, “God was manifest in the flesh.” This means that 'God with us' implies God incarnate; God in human form.

According to scholarly sources, Immanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל) is not a personal name but a symbolic name or sign-name used by the prophet Isaiah. So, what is it, if not a proper name? It is a meaningful expression meant to convey a message rather than function as a conventional personal name. Im-menu-el, expresses a theological truth, “God with us,” rather than identifying someone ordinarily. That’s why scholars emphasize it as a symbolic name, not a standard proper name.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #12]

OneJack we both know that Matthew 1:23 is taken from Isaiah 7:14.

Let’s clarify this issue about the virgin birth of the son who was born of Mary to weed out confusion among biblical believers. The first prophecy about the coming of the Messiah is in Isaiah 7:14, which states:

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

Note: ‘Immanuel’ was the first name that God decreed to be called unto the name of the son to be born of a virgin. The second prophecy came later and is found in Isa 9:6, which states:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Note: ‘Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace’ were the names that God decreed to be called unto the name of the son to be born of a virgin, at this point.

Finally, the revelation of both prophecies came in the NT, under the rule of King Herod, as good tidings from the angel Gabriel, saying unto Joseph:

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

The command/decree of God in these three prophecies about the coming of the Messiah was - “call his (son’s) name Immanuel, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, and Jesus.” These names are, no wonder, the names that belong only to the Almighty God by and through the meaning of the names themselves, to wit:

Immanuel - God with us
Jesus - Savior of the World
Mighty God - Powerful God
Eternal Father - Forever Living God

Essential Questions:

1. Does this decree from God need lengthy details and explanations from you before we follow or not follow the Lord God?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?

Now, let’s look at the details of Isaiah 7.
At that time, King Pekah of Israel (King of the ten Northern tribes) had become allies with King Rezin of Syria. Pekah had recently gone into Judea and killed 120,000 in one day and took 200,000 from Judea captive. The King of Syria had taken the fortified city of Elath and carried the inhabitants away to Damascus.

Now King Ahaz of Judah was afraid his enemies would destroy Jerusalem. It was then that the LORD sent Isaiah to remove Ahaz’s fears. Isaiah was told to tell the King that his enemies would not stand, and they would be destroyed. In Isaiah 7:11, the LORD asked King Ahaz to ask for a sign from God, but Ahaz said, “I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.”

So, the LORD told the King, “Okay, I’ll give you a sign.” Of course, this sign would come 700 years later in the form of the Son of God. The LORD said to the King, “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son; and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat ---.” Now, the divine and human nature of our Lord, as well as the miraculous conception, appear to be pointed out in the prophecy quoted here by Isaiah.

“He shall call his name Im-menu-el;” in Hebrew, it means “the strong God with us.” This is similar to the words in the New Testament, John 1:1, “the Word was God,” with verse 14, “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.” 1 Timothy 3:16 states, “God was manifest in the flesh.” This means that 'God with us' implies God incarnate; God in human form.

According to scholarly sources, Immanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל) is not a personal name but a symbolic name or sign-name used by the prophet Isaiah. So, what is it, if not a proper name? It is a meaningful expression meant to convey a message rather than function as a conventional personal name. Im-menu-el, expresses a theological truth, “God with us,” rather than identifying someone ordinarily. That’s why scholars emphasize it as a symbolic name, not a standard proper name.

Whatever explanations you try to infuse with the meaning of the name ‘Immanuel’ is irrelevant to the decree of God to call the name of the Son Immanuel, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, and Jesus.

The names, whether you like it or not, are equal to each other, as follows:

Immanuel = Wonderful = Counsellor = The mighty God = The everlasting Father = The Prince of Peace = Jesus

Are you, placebofactor, a follower of the Lord God, in this context?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #12]

OneJack we both know that Matthew 1:23 is taken from Isaiah 7:14.

Let’s clarify this issue about the virgin birth of the son who was born of Mary to weed out confusion among biblical believers. The first prophecy about the coming of the Messiah is in Isaiah 7:14, which states:

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

Note: ‘Immanuel’ was the first name that God decreed to be called unto the name of the son to be born of a virgin. The second prophecy came later and is found in Isa 9:6, which states:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Note: ‘Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace’ were the names that God decreed to be called unto the name of the son to be born of a virgin, at this point.

Finally, the revelation of both prophecies came in the NT, under the rule of King Herod, as good tidings from the angel Gabriel, saying unto Joseph:

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

The command/decree of God in these three prophecies about the coming of the Messiah was - “call his (son’s) name Immanuel, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, and Jesus.” These names are, no wonder, the names that belong only to the Almighty God by and through the meaning of the names themselves, to wit:

Immanuel - God with us
Jesus - Savior of the World
Mighty God - Powerful God
Eternal Father - Forever Living God

Essential Questions:

1. Does this decree from God need lengthy details and explanations from you before we follow or not follow the Lord God?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?

Now, let’s look at the details of Isaiah 7.
At that time, King Pekah of Israel (King of the ten Northern tribes) had become allies with King Rezin of Syria. Pekah had recently gone into Judea and killed 120,000 in one day and took 200,000 from Judea captive. The King of Syria had taken the fortified city of Elath and carried the inhabitants away to Damascus.

Now King Ahaz of Judah was afraid his enemies would destroy Jerusalem. It was then that the LORD sent Isaiah to remove Ahaz’s fears. Isaiah was told to tell the King that his enemies would not stand, and they would be destroyed. In Isaiah 7:11, the LORD asked King Ahaz to ask for a sign from God, but Ahaz said, “I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.”

So, the LORD told the King, “Okay, I’ll give you a sign.” Of course, this sign would come 700 years later in the form of the Son of God. The LORD said to the King, “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son; and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat ---.” Now, the divine and human nature of our Lord, as well as the miraculous conception, appear to be pointed out in the prophecy quoted here by Isaiah.

“He shall call his name Im-menu-el;” in Hebrew, it means “the strong God with us.” This is similar to the words in the New Testament, John 1:1, “the Word was God,” with verse 14, “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.” 1 Timothy 3:16 states, “God was manifest in the flesh.” This means that 'God with us' implies God incarnate; God in human form.

According to scholarly sources, Immanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל) is not a personal name but a symbolic name or sign-name used by the prophet Isaiah. So, what is it, if not a proper name? It is a meaningful expression meant to convey a message rather than function as a conventional personal name. Im-menu-el, expresses a theological truth, “God with us,” rather than identifying someone ordinarily. That’s why scholars emphasize it as a symbolic name, not a standard proper name.

Whatever explanations you try to infuse with the meaning of the name ‘Immanuel’ is irrelevant to the decree of God to call the name of the Son Immanuel, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, and Jesus.

The names, whether you like it or not, are equal to each other, as follows:

Immanuel = Wonderful = Counsellor = The mighty God = The everlasting Father = The Prince of Peace = Jesus

Are you, placebofactor, a follower of the Lord God, in this context?

Sure, Jesus Christ's name is Wonderful = (secret) Judges 13:18: He is our Counsellor, he is the mighty God, he is our Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, all to the glory of his Father whose name is YHWH who sits and reigns on the throne of heaven. The Father that no man has ever seen except through his Son Jesus, who has declared him.

And for the thousandth time, Emmanuel is not a proper name; it explains who Jesus is: he is "God with us." The angel that was sent by the LORD to tell Joseph in a dream, "Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS." Jesus means Savior. Emmanuel explains that this child born of Mary is "God with us," that's what the Hebrew word "Immanuel" means.

One more thing, I see you give no heed to the story in Isaiah behind the name Im-menu-el. Maybe that's the problem. The Hebrew word Im-menu-el expresses a theological truth: Jesus is “God with us,” not a proper name identifying someone in a normal sense. But you can call him whatever you want, but when you do, if you say "Wonderful was born of Mary, or the Everlasting Father was crucified, then buried, please explain to us who you are talking about.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Sure, Jesus Christ's name is Wonderful = (secret) Judges 13:18: He is our Counsellor, he is the mighty God, he is our Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, all to the glory of his Father whose name is YHWH who sits and reigns on the throne of heaven. The Father that no man has ever seen except through his Son Jesus, who has declared him.

Is saying Jesus Christ’s name is Wonderful the same as Jesus is Wonderful, or Jesus = Wonderful? If so, we’re on the same boat.

And for the thousandth time, Emmanuel is not a proper name; it explains who Jesus is: he is "God with us." The angel that was sent by the LORD to tell Joseph in a dream, "Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS." Jesus means Savior. Emmanuel explains that this child born of Mary is "God with us," that's what the Hebrew word "Immanuel" means.

Since God issued decrees to call the name of the child Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus, our duty is to obey or not to obey, and follow or not to follow God in this context, don’t we? Despite this, why do you insist on pointing out that Immanuel is not a proper name when it is irrelevant to God’s command, as far as those names are concerned? You call the Son Jesus, but you refuse to call him Eternal Father, or Immanuel; don’t you think you’re disobeying God by your actuation?

One more thing, I see you give no heed to the story in Isaiah behind the name Im-menu-el. Maybe that's the problem. The Hebrew word Im-menu-el expresses a theological truth: Jesus is “God with us,” not a proper name identifying someone in a normal sense. But you can call him whatever you want, but when you do, if you say "Wonderful was born of Mary, or the Everlasting Father was crucified, then buried, please explain to us who you are talking about.

1. Do you deny that God decreed yo call the name of the son, born of Mary, Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?
3. Do you deny that Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus are the names that belong to the Almighty God?

[JehovahsWitness]

There is only one God, and His name is Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus ...

None of those are Almighty God the Creator's name...

ISAIAH 42:5, 8

This is what the true God, Jehovah, says, The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out,+ The One who spread out the earth and its produce, The One who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk on it: [...] 8 I am Jehovah [YHWH/ Yahweh]. That is my name

VARIOUS TRANSLATIONS

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
I AM LORD JEHOVAH, and this is My Name ...

Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name ...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name...

American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name ...

Translations
Literal Standard Version
I [am] YHWH, this [is] My Name ....

Young's Literal Translation
I am Jehovah, this is My name ...

Smith's Literal Translation
I Jehovah, this my name ...

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE NAME and ...THE DIVINE PERSONALITY

[OneJack]

There is only one God, and His name is Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus ...

None of those are Almighty God the Creator's name...

ISAIAH 42:5, 8

This is what the true God, Jehovah, says, The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out,+ The One who spread out the earth and its produce, The One who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk on it: [...] 8 I am Jehovah [YHWH/ Yahweh]. That is my name

VARIOUS TRANSLATIONS

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
I AM LORD JEHOVAH, and this is My Name ...

Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name ...

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name...

American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name ...

Translations
Literal Standard Version
I [am] YHWH, this [is] My Name ....

Young's Literal Translation
I am Jehovah, this is My name ...

Smith's Literal Translation
I Jehovah, this my name ...

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE NAME and ...THE DIVINE PERSONALITY

You’re not the Almighty God to deny those names in His favor, are you?

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Sure, Jesus Christ's name is Wonderful = (secret) Judges 13:18: He is our Counsellor, he is the mighty God, he is our Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, all to the glory of his Father whose name is YHWH who sits and reigns on the throne of heaven. The Father that no man has ever seen except through his Son Jesus, who has declared him.

Is saying Jesus Christ’s name is Wonderful the same as Jesus is Wonderful, or Jesus = Wonderful? If so, we’re on the same boat.

And for the thousandth time, Emmanuel is not a proper name; it explains who Jesus is: he is "God with us." The angel that was sent by the LORD to tell Joseph in a dream, "Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS." Jesus means Savior. Emmanuel explains that this child born of Mary is "God with us," that's what the Hebrew word "Immanuel" means.

Since God issued decrees to call the name of the child Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus, our duty is to obey or not to obey, and follow or not to follow God in this context, don’t we? Despite this, why do you insist on pointing out that Immanuel is not a proper name when it is irrelevant to God’s command, as far as those names are concerned? You call the Son Jesus, but you refuse to call him Eternal Father, or Immanuel; don’t you think you’re disobeying God by your actuation?

One more thing, I see you give no heed to the story in Isaiah behind the name Im-menu-el. Maybe that's the problem. The Hebrew word Im-menu-el expresses a theological truth: Jesus is “God with us,” not a proper name identifying someone in a normal sense. But you can call him whatever you want, but when you do, if you say "Wonderful was born of Mary, or the Everlasting Father was crucified, then buried, please explain to us who you are talking about.

1. Do you deny that God decreed yo call the name of the son, born of Mary, Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?
3. Do you deny that Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus are the names that belong to the Almighty God?

OneJack, you did not addressed placebofactor important question I colored blue and bolded above.
Can you answer that point?

Text below confirmed Jesus death, you believe as the Almighty God the Father.

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Sure, Jesus Christ's name is Wonderful = (secret) Judges 13:18: He is our Counsellor, he is the mighty God, he is our Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, all to the glory of his Father whose name is YHWH who sits and reigns on the throne of heaven. The Father that no man has ever seen except through his Son Jesus, who has declared him.

Is saying Jesus Christ’s name is Wonderful the same as Jesus is Wonderful, or Jesus = Wonderful? If so, we’re on the same boat.

And for the thousandth time, Emmanuel is not a proper name; it explains who Jesus is: he is "God with us." The angel that was sent by the LORD to tell Joseph in a dream, "Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS." Jesus means Savior. Emmanuel explains that this child born of Mary is "God with us," that's what the Hebrew word "Immanuel" means.

Since God issued decrees to call the name of the child Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus, our duty is to obey or not to obey, and follow or not to follow God in this context, don’t we? Despite this, why do you insist on pointing out that Immanuel is not a proper name when it is irrelevant to God’s command, as far as those names are concerned? You call the Son Jesus, but you refuse to call him Eternal Father, or Immanuel; don’t you think you’re disobeying God by your actuation?

One more thing, I see you give no heed to the story in Isaiah behind the name Im-menu-el. Maybe that's the problem. The Hebrew word Im-menu-el expresses a theological truth: Jesus is “God with us,” not a proper name identifying someone in a normal sense. But you can call him whatever you want, but when you do, if you say "Wonderful was born of Mary, or the Everlasting Father was crucified, then buried, please explain to us who you are talking about.

1. Do you deny that God decreed yo call the name of the son, born of Mary, Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?
3. Do you deny that Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus are the names that belong to the Almighty God?

OneJack, you did not addressed placebofactor important question I colored blue and bolded above.
Can you answer that point?

Text below confirmed Jesus death, you believe as the Almighty God the Father.

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 

My stand, from the very beginning, is that a male son (human) was born of Mary. That male son was crucified and died on the cross. I’m not saying Wonderful, or Eternal Father, or Jesus, per se, was crucified because those names refer to the Father, the Almighty God. How can you crucify the Father who is spirit?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Sure, Jesus Christ's name is Wonderful = (secret) Judges 13:18: He is our Counsellor, he is the mighty God, he is our Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, all to the glory of his Father whose name is YHWH who sits and reigns on the throne of heaven. The Father that no man has ever seen except through his Son Jesus, who has declared him.

Is saying Jesus Christ’s name is Wonderful the same as Jesus is Wonderful, or Jesus = Wonderful? If so, we’re on the same boat.

And for the thousandth time, Emmanuel is not a proper name; it explains who Jesus is: he is "God with us." The angel that was sent by the LORD to tell Joseph in a dream, "Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS." Jesus means Savior. Emmanuel explains that this child born of Mary is "God with us," that's what the Hebrew word "Immanuel" means.

Since God issued decrees to call the name of the child Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus, our duty is to obey or not to obey, and follow or not to follow God in this context, don’t we? Despite this, why do you insist on pointing out that Immanuel is not a proper name when it is irrelevant to God’s command, as far as those names are concerned? You call the Son Jesus, but you refuse to call him Eternal Father, or Immanuel; don’t you think you’re disobeying God by your actuation?

One more thing, I see you give no heed to the story in Isaiah behind the name Im-menu-el. Maybe that's the problem. The Hebrew word Im-menu-el expresses a theological truth: Jesus is “God with us,” not a proper name identifying someone in a normal sense. But you can call him whatever you want, but when you do, if you say "Wonderful was born of Mary, or the Everlasting Father was crucified, then buried, please explain to us who you are talking about.

1. Do you deny that God decreed yo call the name of the son, born of Mary, Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus?
2. What did the male son, born of Mary, have in him, as a human, that entitled him to a colossal favor from God for the latter to make a decree commanding all to call his name Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus - names that properly belong to the Almighty God?
3. Do you deny that Immanuel, Mighty God, Eternal Father, and Jesus are the names that belong to the Almighty God?

OneJack, you did not addressed placebofactor important question I colored blue and bolded above.
Can you answer that point?

Text below confirmed Jesus death, you believe as the Almighty God the Father.

1Th 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 

My stand, from the very beginning, is that a male son (human) was born of Mary. That male son was crucified and died on the cross. I’m not saying Wonderful, or Eternal Father, or Jesus, per se, was crucified because those names refer to the Father, the Almighty God. How can you crucify the Father who is spirit?

OneJack wrote, "My stand, from the very beginning, is that a male son (human) was born of Mary."

Please explain to your audience what the seed that was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit was?" We know it had to have life. We know it did not come from any man. So, that leaves us only two choices. 1. It was the sperm of the Father, or 2. It was the Lord Jesus Christ himself.