One allah telling the story?

[van]

Muslims have a difficult time understanding that GOD inspired different writters to put eyewitness accounts down in their own words. The versions might be might slightly different but they do not contradict but compilment the full story.

Everyone sees things differently and at a criminal trial eyewitnesses often have different things to report about the crime- sorted out all these clues add up to tell the full story.

When you quote someone it is word for word, different people quoting one person usually say the very same words. Supposedly the Quran was revealed by one allah.

If one being/allah is telling a story why is the quote from Zakariya different?

3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."

019.008 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"

Also why does allah skip around when telling a story? Why not tell the whole story in one chapter instead of jumping around all crazy?

[TrueReligion]

Muslims have a difficult time understanding that GOD inspired different writters to put eyewitness accounts down in their own words. The versions might be might slightly different but they do not contradict but compilment the full story.

Everyone sees things differently and at a criminal trial eyewitnesses often have different things to report about the crime- sorted out all these clues add up to tell the full story.

When you quote someone it is word for word, different people quoting one person usually say the very same words. Supposedly the Quran was revealed by one allah.

If one being/allah is telling a story why is the quote from Zakariya different?

3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."

019.008 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"

Also why does allah skip around when telling a story? Why not tell the whole story in one chapter instead of jumping around all crazy?

I think you are comparing Bible contradictions with Quran, Sorry Van, but contradictions in Bible are very well accepted by every1, and no explanation of any kind can justify these contradictions.
Also, God will inspire prophet to write book, rather than the those unknown authors, who claim to be inspired, writing the Gospel, and than writing it all wrong and funny tales in that.

Anyway, No need to argument for Bible, as its proven with errors. Let me explain you the verses of Quran you mention, where do you see different story? both verses are clearly saying that Zakariya is old enough, and his wife is barren.
So where you can call it skiping or anything.

[van]

Again the typical Muslim atempt to switch topics-we are not talking about the Holy Bible in this thread. I have already explained that what people call contradictions are bits of complimentary information from different eyewitnesses.

The Holy Bible was written by 40 some GOD inspired people. GOD place on their hearts and minds what to write then HE allowed them to put that thought into their own words using their own language.

In the case of the Quran it is supposed to be one person doing all the talking-Why change the quote?

A quote is to be repeated word for word.

How in the world does one person, no less allah retell a story and get the quote different?

[TrueReligion]

Again the typical Muslim atempt to switch topics-we are not talking about the Holy Bible in this thread. I have already explained that what people call contradictions are bits of complimentary information from different eyewitnesses.

The contradictions are accepted by Christian scholars as well, you want their remarks for accepting these contradictions? but you never showed up to defend any of the contradiction? if you are thinking Bible is so perfect, can you bare challenge to defend the contradiction?

The Holy Bible was written by 40 some GOD inspired people. GOD place on their hearts and minds what to write then HE allowed them to put that thought into their own words using their own language.

But God forgot to tell them same story dats why all of these writers wrote very different story, somewhere changing guy into girl, and woman into man

In the case of the Quran it is supposed to be one person doing all the talking-Why change the quote?

A quote is to be repeated word for word.

How in the world does one person, no less allah retell a story and get the quote different?

There is no problem in this, Allah is teling same thing 2 times, so wats the problem in this? read the context, it will eplain you clearly, but you can;t call it a blunder and contradiction like Bible.

[van]

If it is a direct quote from GOD as to what a person said then there is a problem.

Just old age:
3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."

Implies actual physical deterioration:
19.8 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"

When you tell a story to person A and quote what person B said to you do you then go to person C and change what person B said?

If that were the case then you could never be trusted for retelling a story acurrately.

If you were a journalist you could be fired or get into a lot of trouble!

[Goat]

If it is a direct quote from GOD as to what a person said then there is a problem.

Just old age:
3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."

Implies actual physical deterioration:
19.8 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"

When you tell a story to person A and quote what person B said to you do you then go to person C and change what person B said?

If that were the case then you could never be trusted for retelling a story acurrately.

If you were a journalist you could be fired or get into a lot of trouble!

And how is that different than any other religious scripture, including Christianity?

[TrueReligion]

If it is a direct quote from GOD as to what a person said then there is a problem.

Just old age:
3.40 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."

Implies actual physical deterioration:
19.8 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"

When you tell a story to person A and quote what person B said to you do you then go to person C and change what person B said?

If that were the case then you could never be trusted for retelling a story acurrately.

If you were a journalist you could be fired or get into a lot of trouble!

Can you please make your question clear, if there is any.
What are you trying to ask here?

In both the verses, Allah is telling the story of Zakariya, that Zakariya is saying to Allah , that he is old enough, and also how he can have a child, when he is old and his wife is barren. and Allah replied in that,
So wats the prblem you are getting here VAN?

[van]

And how is that different than any other religious scripture, including Christianity?

The Holy Bible never claims to be written by one person but many different people. I think the total is around - some 40. They were inspired by GOD- the thought put in their minds and hearts and then GOD allowed for them to put the thought in their own words.

With a few direct quotes from GOD scattered here and there.

The Quran is supposed to be one person receiving a direct verse from one allah. Supposedly Mohammad memorized it or scribes wrote it down-whatever.

It it is supposed to be word for word what allah said. Allah changes what Zakariya says.

I have addaed more translations to show that in one it is an ailing physical age as opposed to just old age. Which back then when you could marry at age 6 may not have really been that old:)

003.040
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when age hath overtaken me already and my wife is barren? (The angel) answered: So (it will be). Allah doeth what He will.
SHAKIR: He said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to me, and old age has already come upon me, and my wife is barren? He said: even thus does Allah what He pleases.

019.008
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age?
SHAKIR: He said: O my Lord! when shall I have a son, and my wife is barren, and I myself have reached indeed the extreme degree of old age?

[Goat]

And how is that different than any other religious scripture, including Christianity?

The Holy Bible never claims to be written by one person but many different people. I think the total is around - some 40. They were inspired by GOD- the thought put in their minds and hearts and then GOD allowed for them to put the thought in their own words.

I would love to see you give actual objective evidence that they were 'inspired by God'. Let's see you provide evidence of your claim.

With a few direct quotes from GOD scattered here and there.

Can you demonstrate that it isn't the writer who is projecting what he thinks his concept of God would say? Can you show this 'God' exists with tangible evidence?

The Quran is supposed to be one person receiving a direct verse from one allah. Supposedly Mohammad memorized it or scribes wrote it down-whatever.

It it is supposed to be word for word what allah said. Allah changes what Zakariya says.

Actually, it is supposedly though the angel Gabriel, but we won't get too picky about your inaccurate claims.

I have addaed more translations to show that in one it is an ailing physical age as opposed to just old age. Which back then when you could marry at age 6 may not have really been that old:)

003.040
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when age hath overtaken me already and my wife is barren? (The angel) answered: So (it will be). Allah doeth what He will.
SHAKIR: He said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to me, and old age has already come upon me, and my wife is barren? He said: even thus does Allah what He pleases.

019.008
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age?
SHAKIR: He said: O my Lord! when shall I have a son, and my wife is barren, and I myself have reached indeed the extreme degree of old age?

So, they basically are saying the same thing. I don't see the big deal you are making. Two passages that appear to be paraphrased is not the big deal you are making it. It neither proves or disprove anything. I don't see evidence for any divinity in it though.

[TrueReligion]

And how is that different than any other religious scripture, including Christianity?

The Holy Bible never claims to be written by one person but many different people. I think the total is around - some 40. They were inspired by GOD- the thought put in their minds and hearts and then GOD allowed for them to put the thought in their own words.

With a few direct quotes from GOD scattered here and there.

The Quran is supposed to be one person receiving a direct verse from one allah. Supposedly Mohammad memorized it or scribes wrote it down-whatever.

It it is supposed to be word for word what allah said. Allah changes what Zakariya says.

I have addaed more translations to show that in one it is an ailing physical age as opposed to just old age. Which back then when you could marry at age 6 may not have really been that old:)

003.040
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when age hath overtaken me already and my wife is barren? (The angel) answered: So (it will be). Allah doeth what He will.
SHAKIR: He said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to me, and old age has already come upon me, and my wife is barren? He said: even thus does Allah what He pleases.

019.008
YUSUFALI: He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
PICKTHAL: He said: My Lord! How can I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached infirm old age?
SHAKIR: He said: O my Lord! when shall I have a son, and my wife is barren, and I myself have reached indeed the extreme degree of old age?

Van,please, read again, all translation are giving same thing, translation means choice of words. nothing is being changed or contradicting here.

Let me show you what is a difference. why there are "Versions" in Bible.

1) The period from Adam to the flood of Noah, as described by the Hebrew version, is one thousand six hundred and fifty-six years,
2) and the Samaritan version gives it as one thousand three hundred and seven years.
3) while according to the Greek version, it is two thousand three hundred and sixty-two years


NAME HEBREW SAMARITAN GREEK
The Prophet Adam 130 130 230
Seth 105 105 205
Cainan 70 70 170
Mabalabel 65 65 165
Jared 162 62 162
Enoch 65 65 165
Methuselah 187 67 187
Lamech 182 53 188
Noah 600 600 600
Total 1650 1307 2262

The above table shows extremely serious differences between the statements of all three versions. All three versions agree that the age of the Prophet Noah at the time of the flood was six hundred and the total age of Adam was nine hundred and thirty. However according to the Samaritan version the Prophet Noah was two hundred and thirteen years of age when Adam died which is obviously wrong and goes against the unanimous agreement of the historians and is also erroneous according to the Hebrew and Greek versions. For according to the former, Noah was born one hundred and twenty-six years after the death of Adam and, according to the latter, he was born seven hundred and thirty-two years after the death of Adam. In view of this serious discrepancy, the renowned historian of the Jews, Josephus, who is also recognized by the Christians, did not accept the statement of any of the three versions and decided that the correct period was two thousand two hundred and fifty-six years.


Now if your 40 writers, write something like this, do you call this God inspired?

Its universal fact, that 1 person writing something without error , is more better, than many men writing with different views, and it will contains errors ofcourse.