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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
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oldbadger wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:00 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:24 pm All who wont believe Jesus are in error.
I believe in history of Jesus...that he was real, but my ideas about him differ from your beliefs.
I think its very important to acknowledge the beliefs of other people, and I acknowledge yours.
But it's very sad that the vast majority of people who I speak with will not and do not acknowledge the existence of other beliefs.
I now feel that the ability to acknowledge others and their freedom of mind is the foundation for peace.

God only has 1 truth. There are 4 different Jesus' being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real Jesus. But trinity translations have many errors about him and are not teaching the real Jesus. One of the biggest problems is that if one attends a building called-church, those are taught very little of what Jesus actually teaches.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:18 pm
Were you referring to the start of the JW religion? There was alot of truth understood prior to them. All could live by those truths if they loved God and his son. Up until these last days, all have died and paid the wages of sin. In these last days, the separating of the sheep and goats will occur during the tribulation--The sheep may never have to taste death, thus they need all the truth to be acceptable by God-John 4:22-24--And Daniel 12:4 assures it becomes abundant here in these last days.
Yes, up until your religion all bibles had been devil guided. Correct?
So surely JWs believe that truth was distorted...no?

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:20 pm
God only has 1 truth. There are 4 different Jesus' being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real Jesus. But trinity translations have many errors about him and are not teaching the real Jesus. One of the biggest problems is that if one attends a building called-church, those are taught very little of what Jesus actually teaches.
Many errors indeed, but your bible copies a lot of these as well, not just about trinity.

But there's the problem, many other religions and creeds cannot bring themselves to acknowledge other people's opinions, beliefs, religions. They insist that God only has 1 truth...their truth. That's sad in my opinion.

But you are right when you say that 'church' doesn't teach much about Jesus; one of the problems is that Paul doesn't refer to anything that Jesus said or did (apart from about the last meal and last hours) so people don't learn about Jesus from him. And since many Christians focus mostly upon what G-John says they don't take notice of what gospels like Mark tell and thus they don't know what Jesus did during the days of that last week.

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:35 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:18 pm
Were you referring to the start of the JW religion? There was alot of truth understood prior to them. All could live by those truths if they loved God and his son. Up until these last days, all have died and paid the wages of sin. In these last days, the separating of the sheep and goats will occur during the tribulation--The sheep may never have to taste death, thus they need all the truth to be acceptable by God-John 4:22-24--And Daniel 12:4 assures it becomes abundant here in these last days.
Yes, up until your religion all bibles had been devil guided. Correct?
So surely JWs believe that truth was distorted...no?

Yes Jesus was never with the religion that came out of Rome, nor any of her branches. Most things in the translations are correct, misunderstood and twisted by most, but Catholicism most definitely altered certain passages to fit false council teachings to mislead. The removal of Gods name in nearly 7000 places was by satans will as well to mislead. That is why here in these last days corrections were made and Gods name put back. Condemned by all using the translations that are altered.

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:45 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:20 pm
God only has 1 truth. There are 4 different Jesus' being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real Jesus. But trinity translations have many errors about him and are not teaching the real Jesus. One of the biggest problems is that if one attends a building called-church, those are taught very little of what Jesus actually teaches.
Many errors indeed, but your bible copies a lot of these as well, not just about trinity.

But there's the problem, many other religions and creeds cannot bring themselves to acknowledge other people's opinions, beliefs, religions. They insist that God only has 1 truth...their truth. That's sad in my opinion.

But you are right when you say that 'church' doesn't teach much about Jesus; one of the problems is that Paul doesn't refer to anything that Jesus said or did (apart from about the last meal and last hours) so people don't learn about Jesus from him. And since many Christians focus mostly upon what G-John says they don't take notice of what gospels like Mark tell and thus they don't know what Jesus did during the days of that last week.
Jesus commissioned Paul to do his Fathers will. Paul does teach as Jesus does, Jesus already taught his truths, more truth was shown through Paul. Paul went through hell standing up for Jesus once commissioned. He didnt let it stop him.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:47 pm
Yes Jesus was never with the religion that came out of Rome, nor any of her branches.
Of course. Jesus was a Galilean (Northern) Jew.
Most things in the translations are correct, misunderstood and twisted by most, but Catholicism most definitely altered certain passages to fit false council teachings to mislead.
Yes, but I notice that your 1st verse in G-Mark has kept an addition, not seen in earliest copies. You might need to review the NW translation, maybe?
The removal of Gods name in nearly 7000 places was by satans will as well to mislead. That is why here in these last days corrections were made and Gods name put back. Condemned by all using the translations that are altered.
Does your name for God exist in the earliest copies of the bible? If so, please can you give a link so that I can see for myself?

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:50 pm Jesus commissioned Paul to do his Fathers will. Paul does teach as Jesus does, Jesus already taught his truths, more truth was shown through Paul. Paul went through hell standing up for Jesus once commissioned. He didnt let it stop him.
Well it's sad that Paul never wrote a sentence about anything that Jesus said or did apart from mentioning the last meal and last hours.
A huge % of Christianity is built, not on anything Jesus said or did, but on Paul's ideas.

Only one church (that know of) focused only upon Jesus, and it didn't grow.

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:02 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:47 pm
Yes Jesus was never with the religion that came out of Rome, nor any of her branches.
Of course. Jesus was a Galilean (Northern) Jew.
Most things in the translations are correct, misunderstood and twisted by most, but Catholicism most definitely altered certain passages to fit false council teachings to mislead.
Yes, but I notice that your 1st verse in G-Mark has kept an addition, not seen in earliest copies. You might need to review the NW translation, maybe?
The removal of Gods name in nearly 7000 places was by satans will as well to mislead. That is why here in these last days corrections were made and Gods name put back. Condemned by all using the translations that are altered.
Does your name for God exist in the earliest copies of the bible? If so, please can you give a link so that I can see for myself?

Psalm 83:18--in most older bibles-- That they may know, you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone are the most high over the earth.
Every scholar on earth knows the tetragramoton=YHWH was in every spot of OT where-GOD or LORD all capitols is, nearly 6800 places=quoted in the NT nearly 200 spots.

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:08 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:50 pm Jesus commissioned Paul to do his Fathers will. Paul does teach as Jesus does, Jesus already taught his truths, more truth was shown through Paul. Paul went through hell standing up for Jesus once commissioned. He didnt let it stop him.
Well it's sad that Paul never wrote a sentence about anything that Jesus said or did apart from mentioning the last meal and last hours.
A huge % of Christianity is built, not on anything Jesus said or did, but on Paul's ideas.

Only one church (that know of) focused only upon Jesus, and it didn't grow.

Actually at 1 Cor 8:5-6--is like John 4:22-24--both warn of all other gods being false then both name only the Father as God.

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:16 pm
Psalm 83:18--in most older bibles-- That they may know, you whose name is YHWH(Jehovah) you alone are the most high over the earth.

Every scholar on earth knows the tetragramoton=YHWH was in every spot of OT where-GOD or LORD all capitols is, nearly 6800 places=quoted in the NT nearly 200 spots.
But your bible doesn't show YHWH........ it changes that to Jehovah.
Other bibles changing YHWH to 'God' etc aren't lying, they are just using the name that English speakers recognise.
I wonder what a Spanish bible shows for YHWH? Or a German one?

Some Christians call YHWH 'yahway' (phonetic) ........ not wrong.

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