If you were at the trial of Jesus

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If you were at the trial of Jesus

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Imagine, 2000 years ago, you were at the trial of Jesus ,which side would you have taken? Would you have exonerated him or convicted him?

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pointus wrote:Imagine, 2000 years ago, you were at the trial of Jesus ,which side would you have taken? Would you have exonerated him or convicted him?
Well, the description of the trial of Jesus is historically impossible. It violates Jewish law, it violates Roman law, and it violates the holiness of the High Holidays.

Since the trial is impossible from a Jewish law point of view, I suspect that it is a story written by people who were smarting by being kicked out of the Jewish congregations.
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Agreed, the op is assuming it happened.

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That should not hinder you from answering the question. If you were at the Mad Hatter's tea party, would you take sugar or lemon?

I for one would not be advocating for the condemnation of someone for even the most ridiculous religious claims.
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In that case I'd think about it logically.

Let some one run around spreading another religion possibly causing disent and chaos...

Or kill them on shakey evidence and no real charge...

Lose lose situation, I'd skip the crusification and sleep in then.

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Sugar, and I hope the damn crumpets make it before the execution begins. :P

I have to say I would have supported a guilty verdict, I wouldn't want to take away the happy ending.
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goat wrote:
pointus wrote:Imagine, 2000 years ago, you were at the trial of Jesus ,which side would you have taken? Would you have exonerated him or convicted him?
Well, the description of the trial of Jesus is historically impossible. It violates Jewish law, it violates Roman law, and it violates the holiness of the High Holidays.

Since the trial is impossible from a Jewish law point of view, I suspect that it is a story written by people who were smarting by being kicked out of the Jewish congregations.
You're assuming the Jewish leadership of that day was a law-abiding crowd. It wasn't, as Jesus laid out in detail in his "Seven Woe's" speech.

Here's even more evidence your views are out of touch:

JERUSALEM, Israel

CNS -- The Israel Museum in Jerusalem has on display the only archeological evidence in the world of the type of crucifixion that would have taken place during the time of Jesus.

Found in a burial tomb in Jerusalem, the heel bone of a young man from the time of Jesus is still pierced with the iron nail that would have held him to a cross.

Crucifixion was the punishment allotted to common criminals and others who fell out of favor with the Romans who ruled Judea at the time. Thousands of Jews were crucified by the Romans around the city walls of Jerusalem.

Burial in an ossuary was the Jewish custom for only two centuries - from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. Bones were collected one year after death and buried together in an ornamental box.

Experts know that this man was crucified at the time of Jesus. They know he was a Jew of 24-25 years, but they do not know his crime or why he was crucified.

http://www.frugalsites.net/chronicle/me ... ?957372300

Josephus’ References to Crucifixion

The invasion of Palestine by Antiochus Epiphanies c. 167 B.C.E. giving rise to the Maccabean revolt (Channukah). Josephus graphic and bloody account mentions crucifixion…

Following the death of Herod in 4 B.C.E. there were outbreaks of revolt throughout Judea. Varus, the Roman legate of Syria took two legions and brutally pacified the country, particularly in Galilee.
10. Upon this, Varus sent a part of his army into the country, to seek out those that had been the authors of the revolt; and when they were discovered, he punished some of them that were most guilty, and some he dismissed: now the number of those that were crucified on this account were two thousand.

The sons of Judas the Galilean, who had led a revolt in 6 C.E. over the Roman taxation census, were crucified by the Roman procurator Tiberius Alexander (46-48 C.E.), who was the nephew of the philosopher Philo.

2. Then came Tiberius Alexander as successor to Fadus; he was the son of Alexander the alabarch of Alexandria, which Alexander was a principal person among all his contemporaries, both for his family and wealth: he was also more eminent for his piety than this his son Alexander, for he did not continue in the religion of his country. Under these procurators that great famine happened in Judea, in which queen Helena bought corn in Egypt at a great expense, and distributed it to those that were in want, as I have related already. And besides this, the sons of Judas of Galilee were now slain; I mean of that Judas who caused the people to revolt, when Cyrenius came to take an account of the estates of the Jews, as we have showed in a foregoing book. The names of those sons were James and Simon, whom Alexander commanded to be crucified.

Josephus reports on the Jewish custom of taking down the bodies of those crucified by the Romans during the Great Revolt and burying them, if permitted, before sundown. This was in response to the Torah Mitzvah found in Deuteronomy 21:22-23: "When someone is convictged of a crime punishable by death and is executed, and yo9u hang him on a tree, his corpse must not remain all night upon the tree; you shall bury him that same day, for anyone hung on a tree is under God's curse."
2. But the rage of the Idumeans was not satiated by these slaughters; but they now betook themselves to the city, and plundered every house, and slew every one they met; and for the other multitude, they esteemed it needless to go on with killing them, but they sought for the high priests, and the generality went with the greatest zeal against them; and as soon as they caught them they slew them, and then standing upon their dead bodies, in way of jest, upbraided Ananus with his kindness to the people, and Jesus with his speech made to them from the wall. Nay, they proceeded to that degree of impiety, as to cast away their dead bodies without burial, although the Jews used to take so much care of the burial of men, that they took down those that were condemned and crucified, and buried them before the going down of the sun.

Josephus reports that the Romans crucified many before the walls of Jerusalem during the siege of 70 C.E. The idea was to terrorize the population and force a surrender. The number reached 500 a day at one point until there was no wood left in the area for this purpose!

So the soldiers, out of the wrath and hatred they bore the Jews, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest, when their multitude was so great, that room was wanting for the crosses, and crosses wanting for the bodies.

http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jd ... ephus.html

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Well, if I had been a Jew and I probably would have been back then, then I would have seen his claims as being the son of God as being blasphemy. I guess it would depend on whether I'd seen his amazing acts or not. Possibly they may have convinced me there was something in what he was saying. Either that or they may have been tricks of some kind, but I guess if I was an average Joe, I might be fooled by them. {Shrugs}

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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