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RyanP wrote:Obama's election could be punishment for an evil nation.
bernee51 wrote:Or a reward to a nation coming to its senses.
RyanP wrote:Only if you despise liberty and support socialism.
Does Obama despise liberty and support socialism? Is he one of those Godless communists?
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Yep, the politics of fear is alive and well. Even CNN has reported on the emails equating Obama with the Antichrist. Sounds like the typical fearmongering when fundamentalists can't get their way, or see their old power structure failing.
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McCulloch wrote:
RyanP wrote:Obama's election could be punishment for an evil nation.
bernee51 wrote:Or a reward to a nation coming to its senses.
RyanP wrote:Only if you despise liberty and support socialism.
Does Obama despise liberty and support socialism? Is he one of those Godless communists?
This is the typical fear mongering that has been dominating the more conservative aspects of the republican party for at least a half a century. It mistakenly associates 'socialism' with being 'anti-liberty'. Ironically, the most restrictive removal of rights happens not under the Democrats, but when the people who use that slogan get more influence (the patriot act for example). When the economic times are bad, people turn to the Democrats to fix it. When they gets fixed, the conservatives manage to get their fear mongering to people who don't want to lose their prosperity.. and they ruin that very prosperity.
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goat wrote:This is the typical fear mongering that has been dominating the more conservative aspects of the republican party for at least a half a century. It mistakenly associates 'socialism' with being 'anti-liberty'. Ironically, the most restrictive removal of rights happens not under the Democrats, but when the people who use that slogan get more influence (the patriot act for example). When the economic times are bad, people turn to the Democrats to fix it. When they gets fixed, the conservatives manage to get their fear mongering to people who don't want to lose their prosperity.. and they ruin that very prosperity.
Agreed. Also, given that the socialists abroad (like Brown and Darling) are the ones generally coming up with creative ideas for fixing the global economy (which the more clueless folks like Paulson are likely to adopt in the next few weeks), I'd say that people are likely to have more real liberties under the labour-party types than under the conservatives.
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MagusYanam wrote:
goat wrote:This is the typical fear mongering that has been dominating the more conservative aspects of the republican party for at least a half a century. It mistakenly associates 'socialism' with being 'anti-liberty'. Ironically, the most restrictive removal of rights happens not under the Democrats, but when the people who use that slogan get more influence (the patriot act for example). When the economic times are bad, people turn to the Democrats to fix it. When they gets fixed, the conservatives manage to get their fear mongering to people who don't want to lose their prosperity.. and they ruin that very prosperity.
Agreed. Also, given that the socialists abroad (like Brown and Darling) are the ones generally coming up with creative ideas for fixing the global economy (which the more clueless folks like Paulson are likely to adopt in the next few weeks), I'd say that people are likely to have more real liberties under the labour-party types than under the conservatives.
Never mind a few weeks.

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How socialist can you get? Paulson drags in some of the leaders of the capitalist system and says "you will sell part of your banks to us."

Yes, socialism and communism are often used as pejoratives to scare people. The irony is that even the people spouting this rhetoric support policies which are arguably socialist in nature. Social Security. Medicare. Mortgage Tax Deductions. etc.
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Wasn't Jesus pretty much socialist?

I certainly don't remember any scriptural basis for; subvert a political
party, use unethical tactics to win, maintain power through any means.

For a moment...imagine Jesus (assume the popular version...calm, wise
caring etc..). His very presence radiates peace.

Now imagine him being "interviewed" on Fox News.

....I just had an epiphany... Jesus said to help the poor.

You can do more "helping" if there are more poor. That explains it.

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Anyone who truly hates 'liberals', hates 'liberality', hates 'liberty'.
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Chimp wrote:Wasn't Jesus pretty much socialist?

I certainly don't remember any scriptural basis for; subvert a political
party, use unethical tactics to win, maintain power through any means.

For a moment...imagine Jesus (assume the popular version...calm, wise
caring etc..). His very presence radiates peace.

Now imagine him being "interviewed" on Fox News.

....I just had an epiphany... Jesus said to help the poor.

You can do more "helping" if there are more poor. That explains it.
Could you clarify this please.
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goat wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
RyanP wrote:Obama's election could be punishment for an evil nation.
bernee51 wrote:Or a reward to a nation coming to its senses.
RyanP wrote:Only if you despise liberty and support socialism.
Does Obama despise liberty and support socialism? Is he one of those Godless communists?
This is the typical fear mongering that has been dominating the more conservative aspects of the republican party for at least a half a century. It mistakenly associates 'socialism' with being 'anti-liberty'. Ironically, the most restrictive removal of rights happens not under the Democrats, but when the people who use that slogan get more influence (the patriot act for example). When the economic times are bad, people turn to the Democrats to fix it. When they gets fixed, the conservatives manage to get their fear mongering to people who don't want to lose their prosperity.. and they ruin that very prosperity.
Actually liberal Democrat Presidents with Democrat Congresses ruin economies (most recently Jimmy Carter). The patriot act does not infringe on our liberties, it just equips the government with the ability to get intelligence about Muslim extremists.
However shutting down radio broad casts is a restriction on our liberty. Churches being forced out adoptions is a violation of our freedom. Banning gun ownership is a violation of liberty. Shutting down radio broadcasts is in the works and has been spoken by Nancy Pelosi (Barry supporter and agreer on many things) as the Fairness Doctrine. The Catholic Church (which is not my church) does not get involved with adoptions in Massachusetts because they will not adopt to homosexual couples. The bad State Supreme Court ruling forcing homosexual marriage on the people was made by people with the same philosophy as Barry and is the cause of the violation of Catholic free exercise of religion. Barry is as extremly against the Second Amendment as they come. To see a more full explanation visit "GunBanObama.com".

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micatala wrote:
MagusYanam wrote:
goat wrote:This is the typical fear mongering that has been dominating the more conservative aspects of the republican party for at least a half a century. It mistakenly associates 'socialism' with being 'anti-liberty'. Ironically, the most restrictive removal of rights happens not under the Democrats, but when the people who use that slogan get more influence (the patriot act for example). When the economic times are bad, people turn to the Democrats to fix it. When they gets fixed, the conservatives manage to get their fear mongering to people who don't want to lose their prosperity.. and they ruin that very prosperity.
Agreed. Also, given that the socialists abroad (like Brown and Darling) are the ones generally coming up with creative ideas for fixing the global economy (which the more clueless folks like Paulson are likely to adopt in the next few weeks), I'd say that people are likely to have more real liberties under the labour-party types than under the conservatives.
Never mind a few weeks.

http://www.twincities.com/newsletter-mo ... i_10721272

How socialist can you get? Paulson drags in some of the leaders of the capitalist system and says "you will sell part of your banks to us."

Yes, socialism and communism are often used as pejoratives to scare people. The irony is that even the people spouting this rhetoric support policies which are arguably socialist in nature. Social Security. Medicare. Mortgage Tax Deductions. etc.
Paulson is not behaving conservatively.

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