Is Christ a personal savior?

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IS CHRIST A PERSONAL SAVIOR?

If John the Baptist were alive today he would certainly be in disagreement with the “Christ is a personal savior” doctrine. You will note in the following verses that sin in the flesh was not taken on an individual basis, but that the sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sin was done for the whole world.

I John 2:2, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

John 1:29, “The next day John (John the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the SIN OF THE WORLD.”

You have probably heard or read over and over verses in the Bible that declare Christ to be the savior of the world and had not realized that ‘savior of the world’ and ‘personal savior’are a contradiction to each other.

John 4:42, “... for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

Taking away the sin of the world and Christ being a personal savior are poles apart. You cannot find personal savior anywhere in the scriptures, but Christ taking away the sin of the world is everywhere.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I John 4:14, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”

John 18:20, “Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.”

John 12:47, “And if any man hears my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

I Timothy 2:5-6, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all,”

I Timothy 4:10, “For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men …”

In the Old Testament it was prophesied that there would come a Messiah that would not only take away the sins of the Jews, but God would, in his great mercy, would extend his hand to the Gentiles, thus taking away the sin of the whole world.

Isaiah 49:6, “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Isaiah 54: 3-4, “For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.”

Isaiah 60:3, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

When this doctrine of ‘personal savior’ crept into the church, as you will see, hundreds of misconceptions of what the Bible really says crept in with it. We’ve become so saturated with the doctrine of ‘personal savior’ and its false impressions that you can hardly conceive that anything else is right. It is indeed a strong delusion and yet, the words ‘personal savior,’ do not appear anywhere in the bible; personal savior simply does not exist! The term personal savior was conceived of by Satan to deceive the world and deceive the world he has.

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IS CHRIST A PERSONAL SAVIOR?

If John the Baptist were alive today he would certainly be in disagreement with the “Christ is a personal savior” doctrine. You will note in the following verses that sin in the flesh was not taken on an individual basis, but that the sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sin was done for the whole world.

I John 2:2, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

John 1:29, “The next day John (John the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the SIN OF THE WORLD.”

You have probably heard or read over and over verses in the Bible that declare Christ to be the savior of the world and had not realized that ‘savior of the world’ and ‘personal savior’are a contradiction to each other.

John 4:42, “... for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

Taking away the sin of the world and Christ being a personal savior are poles apart. You cannot find personal savior anywhere in the scriptures, but Christ taking away the sin of the world is everywhere.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I John 4:14, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”

John 18:20, “Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.”

John 12:47, “And if any man hears my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

I Timothy 2:5-6, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all,”

I Timothy 4:10, “For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men …”

In the Old Testament it was prophesied that there would come a Messiah that would not only take away the sins of the Jews, but God would, in his great mercy, would extend his hand to the Gentiles, thus taking away the sin of the whole world.

Isaiah 49:6, “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Isaiah 54: 3-4, “For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.”

Isaiah 60:3, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

When this doctrine of ‘personal savior’ crept into the church, as you will see, hundreds of misconceptions of what the Bible really says crept in with it. We’ve become so saturated with the doctrine of ‘personal savior’ and its false impressions that you can hardly conceive that anything else is right. It is indeed a strong delusion and yet, the words ‘personal savior,’ do not appear anywhere in the bible; personal savior simply does not exist! The term personal savior was conceived of by Satan to deceive the world and deceive the world he has.

And, in Isaiah, you will notice that Israel is repeated referred to as 'the servant'. and it is quite plain that Israel is the servent of God. It is not a personal savior at all. you are taking things out of context.

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IS CHRIST A PERSONAL SAVIOR?

If John the Baptist were alive today he would certainly be in disagreement with the “Christ is a personal savior” doctrine. You will note in the following verses that sin in the flesh was not taken on an individual basis, but that the sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sin was done for the whole world.

I John 2:2, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

John 1:29, “The next day John (John the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the SIN OF THE WORLD.”

You have probably heard or read over and over verses in the Bible that declare Christ to be the savior of the world and had not realized that ‘savior of the world’ and ‘personal savior’are a contradiction to each other.

John 4:42, “... for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

Taking away the sin of the world and Christ being a personal savior are poles apart. You cannot find personal savior anywhere in the scriptures, but Christ taking away the sin of the world is everywhere.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I John 4:14, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”

John 18:20, “Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.”

John 12:47, “And if any man hears my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

I Timothy 2:5-6, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all,”

I Timothy 4:10, “For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men …”

In the Old Testament it was prophesied that there would come a Messiah that would not only take away the sins of the Jews, but God would, in his great mercy, would extend his hand to the Gentiles, thus taking away the sin of the whole world.

Isaiah 49:6, “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Isaiah 54: 3-4, “For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.”

Isaiah 60:3, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

When this doctrine of ‘personal savior’ crept into the church, as you will see, hundreds of misconceptions of what the Bible really says crept in with it. We’ve become so saturated with the doctrine of ‘personal savior’ and its false impressions that you can hardly conceive that anything else is right. It is indeed a strong delusion and yet, the words ‘personal savior,’ do not appear anywhere in the bible; personal savior simply does not exist! The term personal savior was conceived of by Satan to deceive the world and deceive the world he has.

And, in Isaiah, you will notice that Israel is repeated referred to as 'the servant'. and it is quite plain that Israel is the servent of God. It is not a personal savior at all. you are taking things out of context.

Or better yet, maybe you are.

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goat wrote:

And, in Isaiah, you will notice that Israel is repeated referred to as 'the servant'. and it is quite plain that Israel is the servent of God. It is not a personal savior at all. you are taking things out of context.

Evidently you think that everything in the New Testament is taken out of context and so you have no knowledge of graduating from servants to sons.

Galatians 4:5-7, "To redeem them that were under the law (Jews), that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then and heir of God through Christ.

Do a little reading of the NT and you will find out who you really are!

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goat wrote:

And, in Isaiah, you will notice that Israel is repeated referred to as 'the servant'. and it is quite plain that Israel is the servent of God. It is not a personal savior at all. you are taking things out of context.

Evidently you think that everything in the New Testament is taken out of context and so you have no knowledge of graduating from servants to sons.

Galatians 4:5-7, "To redeem them that were under the law (Jews), that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then and heir of God through Christ.

Do a little reading of the NT and you will find out who you really are!

where do I say anything about the NT? I am talking Isaiah. What the NT says is totally irrelevant to what is written in Isaiah. The NT does do a lot of misinterpreting of the Tanakh to be sure. But, what it says is written in the Tanakh is meaningless to what is actually written there.

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IS CHRIST A PERSONAL SAVIOR?

If John the Baptist were alive today he would certainly be in disagreement with the “Christ is a personal savior” doctrine. You will note in the following verses that sin in the flesh was not taken on an individual basis, but that the sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sin was done for the whole world.

I John 2:2, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

John 1:29, “The next day John (John the Baptist) seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the SIN OF THE WORLD.”

You have probably heard or read over and over verses in the Bible that declare Christ to be the savior of the world and had not realized that ‘savior of the world’ and ‘personal savior’are a contradiction to each other.

John 4:42, “... for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

Taking away the sin of the world and Christ being a personal savior are poles apart. You cannot find personal savior anywhere in the scriptures, but Christ taking away the sin of the world is everywhere.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

I John 4:14, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”

John 18:20, “Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.”

John 12:47, “And if any man hears my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

I Timothy 2:5-6, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all,”

I Timothy 4:10, “For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men …”

In the Old Testament it was prophesied that there would come a Messiah that would not only take away the sins of the Jews, but God would, in his great mercy, would extend his hand to the Gentiles, thus taking away the sin of the whole world.

Isaiah 49:6, “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”

Isaiah 54: 3-4, “For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.”

Isaiah 60:3, “And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

When this doctrine of ‘personal savior’ crept into the church, as you will see, hundreds of misconceptions of what the Bible really says crept in with it. We’ve become so saturated with the doctrine of ‘personal savior’ and its false impressions that you can hardly conceive that anything else is right. It is indeed a strong delusion and yet, the words ‘personal savior,’ do not appear anywhere in the bible; personal savior simply does not exist! The term personal savior was conceived of by Satan to deceive the world and deceive the world he has.

If Christ came to die for the world then why isn't the world saved?

I suppose God can't save the world?

linkbolt

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linkbolt wrote:

If Christ came to die for the world then why isn't the world saved?

I suppose God can't save the world?

The whole world is saved from their sin! It is believing that you were saved from your sins that will save you in the end, but you do not believe that the world was saved from their sins. You believe that you are still dead in your sins and it is the works of unbelief that you will be held accountable for.

Romans 6:5-11, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."


John 3:16, ...Whosoever believes will have everlasting life.

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linkbolt wrote:

If Christ came to die for the world then why isn't the world saved?

I suppose God can't save the world?

The whole world is saved from their sin! It is believing that you were saved from your sins that will save you in the end, but you do not believe that the world was saved from their sins. You believe that you are still dead in your sins and it is the works of unbelief that you will be held accountable for.

Romans 6:5-11, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."


John 3:16, ...Whosoever believes will have everlasting life.

The only problem is that

1. The book of verses that you've mentioned is addressing the Church and those that are already saved, thus not the unregenerate or unsaved.

2. John 3:16 reference those who believe and no those who don't.

What you've proved is that not everyone is saved.

linkbolt

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linkbolt,

John 3:16 is not addressing the churches and if you knew the NT you would know that.

The churches didn't form until after the resurrection of Christ. Unfortunately the churches (all of them) have fallen from the faith and believe that they are sinners. They preach sin and make sure you and the world knows that everyone is still dead in sin. They count the blood of Christ as nothing. According to them you must be on your knees continually. What a shame it is that we fell for the stong delusion and don't know our inheritance.

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The whole world is saved from their sin! It is believing that you were saved from your sins that will save you in the end, but you do not believe that the world was saved from their sins. You believe that you are still dead in your sins and it is the works of unbelief that you will be held accountable for.

Romans 6:5-11, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I find it quite sickening that one would even want a man to die for one's own sins. Is Jesus just some universal scapegoat for all misbehaviors? And there is a fundamental problem with absolving someone of sin, guilt, or misdeed in the very first place.

If you tread on my foot, it is only I who may forgive you, not some other bloke down the street. In fact, the mere thought of this seems absurd. If all people believed this, then there would be no reason to prevent oneself from raping and looting and pillaging, for one's sins are already lifted. So Christianity seems to be encouraging behavior that takes no heed of a neighbor suffering.