Contradictions.

[Antagonist]

What do you think about these contradictions?

(1)
2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

(2)
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he
should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

(3)
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

(4) (Jesus speaking)
Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.

(5) (Jesus speaking)
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

(6)
Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”
Exodus 33:11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God.

(7) (Jesus speaking)
John 5:31 If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 8:14 Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid.

scource: http://home.earthlink.net/~owl233/biblequotes.htm

This is just a small selection. there are many more.

[piglet17]

2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Per the context, which the dear thoughtful poster (deliberately ? ignorantly ?) exludes: no one's ascended into heaven who can tell you about it. Except the Son of Man who descended from heaven.
John 3:12

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Per the left-out context again: Moses simply interceded for God according to God's original promise to Israel (Ex 3:16-17)

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

Salvation, in the NT (and O) has more than one aspect.
For example: it has a beginning, middle, and end.
A past tense (Ephesians above), a present tense (James above), and a future aspect (For believers only--Revelation above).

Eph 2 above is written about Christians' becoming Christians.
James 2 above is written about Christians being judged.
Revelation 22 is also about Christians being judged.

It seems the poster above's not that familiar with all the Bible, or again has a kind of context-phobia

Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.

The poster above again seems to think it's beneficial or necessary to deliberately ignore context. In which case, one could ask if we chop up his own words into pieces separate from one another and then argue "contradiction !" how ridiculous and inaccurate we'd be ?

Matthew 5:16 concludes the virtues discussed in 5:3-12, in particular the love in the midst of persecution (5:9-12), which can't be "hidden" from persecutors !
Matthew 6:1 contrasts the section of "acts" done by religious hypocrites publiclly in 6:2-18 where Jesus Christ explicitly repeatedly tells His followers to "not like them" (6:2, 5, 7, 8, 16) for mostly the express purpose of self-glorification.

In short: there's a difference between God and the self

[Antagonist]

2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Per the context, which the dear thoughtful poster (deliberately ? ignorantly ?) exludes: no one's ascended into heaven who can tell you about it. Except the Son of Man who descended from heaven.
John 3:12

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Per the left-out context again: Moses simply interceded for God according to God's original promise to Israel (Ex 3:16-17)

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith . . . not by works.
James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? . . . Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

Salvation, in the NT (and O) has more than one aspect.
For example: it has a beginning, middle, and end.
A past tense (Ephesians above), a present tense (James above), and a future aspect (For believers only--Revelation above).

Eph 2 above is written about Christians' becoming Christians.
James 2 above is written about Christians being judged.
Revelation 22 is also about Christians being judged.

It seems the poster above's not that familiar with all the Bible, or again has a kind of context-phobia

Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.

The poster above again seems to think it's beneficial or necessary to deliberately ignore context. In which case, one could ask if we chop up his own words into pieces separate from one another and then argue "contradiction !" how ridiculous and inaccurate we'd be ?

Matthew 5:16 concludes the virtues discussed in 5:3-12, in particular the love in the midst of persecution (5:9-12), which can't be "hidden" from persecutors !
Matthew 6:1 contrasts the section of "acts" done by religious hypocrites publiclly in 6:2-18 where Jesus Christ explicitly repeatedly tells His followers to "not like them" (6:2, 5, 7, 8, 16) for mostly the express purpose of self-glorification.

In short: there's a difference between God and the self

hmm well I just got this from the net. I have to admit that I never read the bible entirely (I just started), But you seem to ignore this one:

(Jesus speaking)
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


which seems pretty violent to me.

[SmellsLikeLife]

hmm well I just got this from the net. I have to admit that I never read the bible entirely (I just started), But you seem to ignore this one:

(Jesus speaking)
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


which seems pretty violent to me.

In John 14:27 Jesus is refering to his peace that he gives to his followers.

In Matthew 10:34 Jesus is refering to the fact that his teachings will be the cause for much discussion, argument, and debate... Hey! That's what this forum is for!

[Antagonist]

hmm yeah. Allthough saying that you'll bring a sword and meaning you'll provoke discussion is very odd.

I think I should have done a bit more research one these contradisctions instead of just ctrl-V posting it

[SmellsLikeLife]

That was a small exageration on my part, sorry. It does say that he will bring the sword and turn parents against their children, but that also happens.

Do you know any Jews who converted to Christianity? To their parents, their son or daughter is to them when the convert to Christianity.

This is an example of what Jesus meant.


SLL

[Antagonist]

That was a small exageration on my part, sorry. It does say that he will bring the sword and turn parents against their children, but that also happens.

Do you know any Jews who converted to Christianity? To their parents, their son or daughter is to them when the convert to Christianity.

This is an example of what Jesus meant.


SLL

hmmm ok. that explains a bit, though the sword thing is in contradiction with the peacefull image we have of Jesus. I think that through all the translations and simlified bibles things got a little different from how they where meant.

[piglet17]

hmm well I just got this from the net. I have to admit that I never read the bible entirely (I just started), But you seem to ignore this one:

You seem to have ignored my "Post subject" of post 2: "A start."

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
which seems pretty violent to me.

A ruffly comparable idiom in English might be when you say "i'll kill him."
Unless you really mean you're Dylan Klebold.
In any case, the posts below rightly answer this noncontradiction.
Though the Lord hasn't merely provoked debate, he's provoked His enemy Satan, and Satan's followers, to frequently kill His people. Like they did for example to all of His 12 apostles except John, though they tried to exterminate John also.
Jesus Christ, His kingdom being "separated" from Government, most assuredly did not command His followers to be physically violent or even to resist.
As is the sad history of Islam and much of Christianity

[Alethes]

What do you think about these contradictions?

(1)
2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

Elijah and Elisha

We can receive a better understanding of verses 8-11 of 2 Kings 2, if we look at some of the previous and following verses of verse 11.

2 Kings 2:1,3,7,8, 11, 16-18
(1) And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

(3) And the sons of the prophets that [were] at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know [it]; hold ye your peace.

{7) And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.

(11) And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

(16) And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.

(17) And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

(18) And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?

Elijah and Elisha moved ahead over the Jordan at Jericho. While the fifty sons and the prophet Elisha watched, Elijah was taken up to heaven as The Word discloses. However, this taken up cannot mean he was transported into the presence of God to abide with Him forever because the fifty sons of the prophets looked for Elijah for three days in the rocky slopes.

If 2 Kings 2:11 meant that Elijah went straight up, the fifty sons of the prophets would never have looked for him on the land. "And Elisha went up by a whirlwind into heaven" means that God took Elisha. Elijah died away from Elisha and the fifty prophetic sons and is buried awaiting the resurrection.