Woman Pastors

[placebofactor]

Has the idea of women pastors been sold to the public? It appears to be so. The Bible's answer may shock some and amuse others, but it does answer its own question. “Are women allowed to Pastor a Christian congregation?"

Those who say no to the question consider the matter outrageous and implausible. For those who answer yes, it's rather like being behind an eight-ball that's about to collide with the Q-ball.

The verse under discussion will be, 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is NOT permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under (submissive) obedience; as also saith the law."

Paul is not speaking of women teaching at home, outside church services, or asking their husbands questions, but his words concern their posture in the church.
Your thoughts:

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Has the idea of women pastors been sold to the public? It appears to be so. The Bible's answer may shock some and amuse others, but it does answer its own question. “Are women allowed to Pastor a Christian congregation?"

Those who say no to the question consider the matter outrageous and implausible. For those who answer yes, it's rather like being behind an eight-ball that's about to collide with the Q-ball.

The verse under discussion will be, 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is NOT permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under (submissive) obedience; as also saith the law."

Paul is not speaking of women teaching at home, outside church services, or asking their husbands questions, but his words concern their posture in the church.
Your thoughts:

I would go even further and say, not even men should be pastors/priests/rulers/master, because:

...they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad, enlarge the fringes of their garments, and love the place of honor at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called 'Rabbi, Rabbi' by men. But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Matt. 23:4-12

Disciples of Jesus ("Christians") should follow Jesus, not pastors.

[onewithhim]

Has the idea of women pastors been sold to the public? It appears to be so. The Bible's answer may shock some and amuse others, but it does answer its own question. “Are women allowed to Pastor a Christian congregation?"

Those who say no to the question consider the matter outrageous and implausible. For those who answer yes, it's rather like being behind an eight-ball that's about to collide with the Q-ball.

The verse under discussion will be, 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is NOT permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under (submissive) obedience; as also saith the law."

Paul is not speaking of women teaching at home, outside church services, or asking their husbands questions, but his words concern their posture in the church.
Your thoughts:

Yes, I agree with your take on I Corinthians 14:34. The man is the head of the woman and is given the responsibility of teaching in the congregation.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (KJV)

[placebofactor]

Has the idea of women pastors been sold to the public? It appears to be so. The Bible's answer may shock some and amuse others, but it does answer its own question. “Are women allowed to Pastor a Christian congregation?"

Those who say no to the question consider the matter outrageous and implausible. For those who answer yes, it's rather like being behind an eight-ball that's about to collide with the Q-ball.

The verse under discussion will be, 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is NOT permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under (submissive) obedience; as also saith the law."

Paul is not speaking of women teaching at home, outside church services, or asking their husbands questions, but his words concern their posture in the church.
Your thoughts:

Yes, I agree with your take on I Corinthians 14:34. The man is the head of the woman and is given the responsibility of teaching in the congregation.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (KJV)

Why do you think women who claim to be Christians decide to become pastors in a church? It may be a woman's world, but it's not the way of God.

[The Tanager]

I don't think Paul could be saying here that women are to always remain silent in church. Just a little earlier (1 Cor 11) Paul talks about how when women pray and prophesy publicly that they should have their heads covered.

The context seems to me to be more about the orderliness of how church is done. Someone who speaks in tongues without an interpreter is being a disruption to the service. A prophet who keeps talking over subsequent prophets are a disruption to the service. Women asking questions during the prophecy are a disruption to the service. In each case, Paul calls for silence.

[historia]

Just a little earlier (1 Cor 11) Paul talks about how when women pray and prophesy publicly that they should have their heads covered.

Indeed, this is one of the reasons why many biblical scholars think that 14:34-35 is likely an interpolation.

It's seems odd for Paul to say it is "shameful" for women to speak in church after advising the Corinthian women on how they should dress when doing so.

The appeal to "as the law also says" in v. 34 is also rather un-Pauline.

And, importantly, there are several early Greek and Latin manuscripts -- NA28 lists: D, F, G, ar, b, vg^ms -- that place vs. 34-35 after v. 40. When we see blocks of text moving around in the manuscript tradition like this, it's often an indicator that those verses may not be original and were copied into the main of the text from a marginal scribal note.

[placebofactor]

Just a little earlier (1 Cor 11) Paul talks about how when women pray and prophesy publicly that they should have their heads covered.

Indeed, this is one of the reasons why many biblical scholars think that 14:34-35 is likely an interpolation.

It's seems odd for Paul to say it is "shameful" for women to speak in church after advising the Corinthian women on how they should dress when doing so.

The appeal to "as the law also says" in v. 34 is also rather un-Pauline.

And, importantly, there are several early Greek and Latin manuscripts -- NA28 lists: D, F, G, ar, b, vg^ms -- that place vs. 34-35 after v. 40. When we see blocks of text moving around in the manuscript tradition like this, it's often an indicator that those verses may not be original and were copied into the main of the text from a marginal scribal note.

1 Corinthians 11, mentions nothing about being in a church setting when men and women pray or prophesy. 1 Corinthians 14:26, Paul said, "When you come together," this is when a "Women is to keep silent in the church."

[onewithhim]

Has the idea of women pastors been sold to the public? It appears to be so. The Bible's answer may shock some and amuse others, but it does answer its own question. “Are women allowed to Pastor a Christian congregation?"

Those who say no to the question consider the matter outrageous and implausible. For those who answer yes, it's rather like being behind an eight-ball that's about to collide with the Q-ball.

The verse under discussion will be, 1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is NOT permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under (submissive) obedience; as also saith the law."

Paul is not speaking of women teaching at home, outside church services, or asking their husbands questions, but his words concern their posture in the church.
Your thoughts:

Yes, I agree with your take on I Corinthians 14:34. The man is the head of the woman and is given the responsibility of teaching in the congregation.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (KJV)

Why do you think women who claim to be Christians decide to become pastors in a church? It may be a woman's world, but it's not the way of God.

(There are many things that people do that are not the way of God.) They want prominence and power and access to the coffers of the offerings, and a set-up where they will be supported by the congregations. None of that is scriptural. And the congregations put up with it because they don't know any better, being taught lies.

[The Tanager]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #7]

Why do you think 1 Cor 11:16 isn't locating this as a practice within the churches of God?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #7]

Why do you think 1 Cor 11:16 isn't locating this as a practice within the churches of God?

1 Corinthians 11:16 speaks of men setting themselves up against what has been declared. If they claim that women may pray, or teach, with their heads uncovered and that a man may, without reproach, have long hair, they will not be sanctioned by any of the churches of God, be it a Jewish or Gentile church.