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Jesus is God - Revelation 14:1

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Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Why do the redeemed people of God need two names?

More importantly, why does God need a non-God's stamp of approval?

If God needs a non God's stamp of approval on us then isn't God subservient to the non God creature and not omnipotent?

Since God doesn't need the stamp of approval from a non God being, therefore: it's clear that both the Father and Son are God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:18 am
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Why do the redeemed people of God need two names?

More importantly, why does God need a non-God's stamp of approval?

If God needs a non God's stamp of approval on us then isn't God subservient to the non God creature and not omnipotent?

Since God doesn't need the stamp of approval from a non God being, therefore: it's clear that both the Father and Son are God.
How many times do you people have to be told the Father and Son share the same name, the same titles. and the same characteristics. Jesus is Jehovah; The Father is Jehovah. We glorify Jesus, he glorifies the Father. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. He teaches what he hears from the Son.

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Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:18 am
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Why do the redeemed people of God need two names?
That doesn't necessary mean there is two names. Jesus said God has given His name to Jesus. Therefore, the name of Jesus is also the name of the Father.

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me....
John 17:11-12
Wootah wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:18 am More importantly, why does God need a non-God's stamp of approval?
I don't see any reason to think God needs a stamp of approval.
Wootah wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:18 amSince God doesn't need the stamp of approval from a non God being, therefore: it's clear that both the Father and Son are God.
I think that goes against what Jesus said. According to Jesus there is only one true God, the Father and the Father is greater than Jesus. Actually i think what you say goes against all these scriptures:

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascend-ing to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do-ing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
… we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:4-6
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5
For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be sub-jected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28
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Re: Jesus is God - Revelation 14:1

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[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

You never seem to focus on the topic and post random Bible verses. Why do that?

Bible said in Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

You said: That doesn't necessary mean there is two names. Jesus said God has given His name to Jesus. Therefore, the name of Jesus is also the name of the Father.

Who to believe?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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