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There is the dual nature of Jesus Christ, for he is both divine and human. He transcended the ordinary boundaries of human existence, fully God, and fully man. This union remains an unfathomable mystery, stretching the limits of human understanding.

As a man, He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth. He experienced the full range of human existence, physical limitations, emotions, and temptations. He was hungry, thirsty, fatigued, and sorrowful. He showed compassion to those in need and experienced the pain of betrayal. He was a perfect representation of what it means to be human.

Yet he claimed divinity, Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

He forgave sins. Mark 7, Jesus said, “Who can forgive sins but only God," with Verse 5, Jesus said to the man with the palsy, “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.”

1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, He (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,”

Isaiah 45:25, “In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified,” With,
Titus 3:7, The Holy Ghost has poured out on Christians through Jesus Christ our Savior; that being justified by his (Jesus) grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”
Jesus performed 37 miracles: The first was in John 2, He changed water to wine.

Jesus accepted worship: Matthew 21:9, “The multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, “Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that comes in the name of the LORD; Hosanna in the highest.” Hosanna means, save now, or, save, we beseech thee.

Romans 14:10-11, “For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, as I live, saith the LORD, every knee shall bow to me and every tongue shall confess to God.”

Jesus is the eternal word, John 1:1-14. “And the Word was God.”

He was given the title of Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, “God with us.”

Affirming Jesus' divine nature, John 10:30, “I and my Father are one.”

He is omnipotent, Hebrews 1:3, “Who being the brightness of his (the Father’s) glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, --- Made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”

He is Omniscient: John 2:25, “For he (Jesus) knew what was in man.”

He is perfection 2 Corinthians 5:21, “For he (the Father) has made him (Jesus) to be sin (a sin offering) for us, who knew no sin: that he might be made the righteous of God in him.”

And because of his dual nature, He can serve as the perfect mediator between God and man, 1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”

He will redeem us from our sins, Matthew 20:28, The Son of man came to “minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

He conquered death, John 11:25, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
I’ll stop here, but we should all get the idea of Jesus Christ's true identity.

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placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 am There is the dual nature of Jesus Christ, for he is both divine and human. He transcended the ordinary boundaries of human existence, fully God, and fully man. This union remains an unfathomable mystery, stretching the limits of human understanding.
The Bible is composed of two covenants or wills between God and mankind. There is no "dual natured being". Jesus falls under the covenants as a man!

Jesus Christ was a human being born of water as every other human. Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He departed heaven to become a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do I know this? Because Jesus prayed!

If He was also God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers. Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities. The power we all have, including Jesus while He was a human on the earth, is that of prayer:

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24)

In truth, it seems to me that He did have more power than today's Christians in that He knew the scriptures were all true! We have faith in the scriptures and the promise of eternal life with God. Faith is believing in things unseen. Jesus as the Word had seen since the beginning of time the future which awaits all Christians. Therefore, when He prayed, He always believed His Father would answer His prayer. Notice what Jesus states about His prayers:

Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always... (John 11:41-42)

Jesus Christ knew that these verses concerning prayer and all scripture were indeed true! Things that we believe on faith, He had actually experienced as the Word! You might say that He had inside information!

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placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 am There is the dual nature of Jesus Christ,
Yes, because it is said God dwells in Jesus.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Fa-ther, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amYet he claimed divinity, Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
If Jesus would be the God, there would be no one to give the power to him, because he would have it on his own. Or who do you think is higher than God?
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe forgave sins. Mark 7, Jesus said, “Who can forgive sins but only God," with Verse 5, Jesus said to the man with the palsy, “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.”
Also disciples of Jesus have the right to forgive. Does it make them the God?

If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”
John 20:23
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amJesus is the eternal word, John 1:1-14. “And the Word was God.”
Is there a scripture that says Jesus is the word?
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe was given the title of Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, “God with us.”
Bible tells God lives in Jesus, therefore it is fitting to say, God among us, because God was in Jesus.
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amAffirming Jesus' divine nature, John 10:30, “I and my Father are one.”
Also disciples of Jesus are one with the God the same way:

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe is Omniscient: John 2:25, “For he (Jesus) knew what was in man.”
Jesus shows here that he is not omniscient:

“No one knows when that day or hour will come—not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father ...
Matt. 24:36
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe conquered death,
It was God who raised him from death.

whom God raised from the dead, to which we are witnesses.
Acts 3:15
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1213 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:07 am
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 am There is the dual nature of Jesus Christ,
Yes, because it is said God dwells in Jesus.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Fa-ther, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amYet he claimed divinity, Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
If Jesus would be the God, there would be no one to give the power to him, because he would have it on his own. Or who do you think is higher than God?
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe forgave sins. Mark 7, Jesus said, “Who can forgive sins but only God," with Verse 5, Jesus said to the man with the palsy, “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.”
Also disciples of Jesus have the right to forgive. Does it make them the God?

If you forgive anyone’s sins, they have been forgiven them. If you retain anyone’s sins, they have been retained.”
John 20:23
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amJesus is the eternal word, John 1:1-14. “And the Word was God.”
Is there a scripture that says Jesus is the word?
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe was given the title of Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, “God with us.”
Bible tells God lives in Jesus, therefore it is fitting to say, God among us, because God was in Jesus.
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amAffirming Jesus' divine nature, John 10:30, “I and my Father are one.”
Also disciples of Jesus are one with the God the same way:

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe is Omniscient: John 2:25, “For he (Jesus) knew what was in man.”
Jesus shows here that he is not omniscient:

“No one knows when that day or hour will come—not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father ...
Matt. 24:36
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 amHe conquered death,
It was God who raised him from death.

whom God raised from the dead, to which we are witnesses.
Acts 3:15
In Col 2:9, the language is such as would be obviously employed on the supposition that God became incarnate, and appeared in human form. But the meaning is, that it was not anyone attribute of the Deity that became incarnate in the Savior, that He was not merely endowed with the knowledge, or the power, or the wisdom of God, but that the whole Deity thus became incarnate, and appeared in human form, compare John 14:9, John 1:18. No language could, therefore, more clearly demonstrate the divinity of Christ.

Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead", in Greek "theotes' as the nature of being God, divine nature, divine being, in Him dwells all the fullness of divine nature in bodily form.
Thus Jesus possess the dual nature of being human and being God.

NT:2320 "theotes"
the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.'
in him dwells all the fullness of divine nature in bodily form'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:44 am There is the dual nature of Jesus Christ, for he is both divine and human. He transcended the ordinary boundaries of human existence, fully God, and fully man. This union remains an unfathomable mystery, stretching the limits of human understanding.
The Bible is composed of two covenants or wills between God and mankind. There is no "dual natured being". Jesus falls under the covenants as a man!

Jesus Christ was a human being born of water as every other human. Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He departed heaven to become a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do I know this? Because Jesus prayed!

If He was also God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers. Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities. The power we all have, including Jesus while He was a human on the earth, is that of prayer:

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24)

In truth, it seems to me that He did have more power than today's Christians in that He knew the scriptures were all true! We have faith in the scriptures and the promise of eternal life with God. Faith is believing in things unseen. Jesus as the Word had seen since the beginning of time the future which awaits all Christians. Therefore, when He prayed, He always believed His Father would answer His prayer. Notice what Jesus states about His prayers:

Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always... (John 11:41-42)

Jesus Christ knew that these verses concerning prayer and all scripture were indeed true! Things that we believe on faith, He had actually experienced as the Word! You might say that He had inside information!
After reading your comment, I had to scratch my head thinking, is this what is being taught today? It’s no wonder the church is in such disarray. When can the Son of God not be the Son of God? Let me answer the question for you, “He can’t!”

You did get one part correct when you wrote the following, “Yes, Jesus was the Son of God and Mary at the same time. However, He had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are!”

As a child, he had to grow physically in the flesh as would any child, that’s obvious. But what the Holy Spirit implanted in Mary’s womb was the Son of God in the form of a seed. This had to be done in such a manner, men would understand that the Scriptures were being fulfilled.

As the Son of God, he could have manifested himself as an adult, a fully mature man, but he didn’t. It was necessary to fulfill Scripture, which, by the way, Jesus is the Author and finisher of. This was all designed and planned out from before the Creation.

Revelation 13:8, “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Jesus) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

In order for men to understand, scriptures had to be fulfilled. So, as a newborn child, Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 9:6, “A son is given,” Notice the word “given.” The Son of God came in the form of a seed, all that he was/is existed within that seed, none of his glory or power was lost. It was set aside, and his glory covered with flesh.

Philippians 2:7, Jesus made himself of no reputation, he took on the form of a servant, he emptied himself and was made in the likeness of men, but under his flesh was the Son of God. He was, “God manifest in the flesh.” He was Emmanuel, “God With us.”

What was Jesus' purpose for coming? Jesus came to save mankind from the second death: he came to teach, to fulfill the law, to seal, and confirm his new covenant with his precious blood.
Did Jesus still have power while in the form of a man? Of course he did. Did he use it? At times he did. When he escaped the Jews who were ready to throw him over a cliff, Luke 4:29.

Luke 5:22, Jesus perceived the thoughts of men.

John 2:25, Jesus knew what was in man.” Jesus knew all things, because he made all things. And because he is the all knowing God, “John 1:1. He knew all men because he searched their hearts, and tried their reins, Revelation 2:23. He knew a sincere person from a hypocrite. He knew of our fears, perplexities, temptations, afflictions, desires, and hopes.

Did Jesus have power while in the flesh?
Jesus said in John 10:17-18, “I lay down my life that I might take it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.” Five times he used the pronoun “I”.

Jesus was the Messenger. Malachi 3:1, “The Lord (the Messiah, Jesus), whom you (Israel) seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in:”

Hebrews 12:24, "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things than that of Abel.”

Hebrews 9:25, Every Temple blood sacrifice the Jews ever made, “he (Jesus) often had suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world (ages) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

You mentioned Jesus prayed to the Father: Of course he did, he was the Master (teacher) who taught others how to pray.

You wrote, “Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always... (John 11:41-42).

This was a lesson on how to pray for Martha and those who were at the tomb when Lazarus was raised from the dead. You seem to forget, Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is our “everlasting Father.” The government is upon Jesus shoulders, he is our counselor, the Prince of Peace, and his government there shall be no end.

All you need to do is remember the chain of command; break or circumvent the chain, and you will be without hope. Man to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit to Jesus, and Jesus to the Father. And one day Jesus and the Father will rule a new world, a world, without sin, from one throne.

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placebofactor wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:39 pm
What was Jesus' purpose for coming?

Jesus' purpose for coming was to fix the fault in the original covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

The path to everlasting life under that first covenant was to never sin. That is, the wages of sin is the second death, and all have sinned and are headed for the second and everlasting death. Therefore, no human had ever gained eternal life under that first covenant.

Since the first covenant contained that fault, God created a second or New Testament:

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (Hebrews 8:6-7)

Here's how that was accomplished:

The Word was made flesh as the Jewish man Jesus Christ. Jesus lived a sinless human life and became the only human to become an heir unto everlasting life under that original covenant. God then allowed Jesus to freely gift his inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under terms of the New Testament Covenant. Thus, everlasting life became a gift of God through Jesus Christ:

That fixed the fault in the original covenant and fulfilled Jesus' purpose. :D

This New Testament Covenant was opened to any human being -- whosoever believeth!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:39 pm
What was Jesus' purpose for coming?

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pmJesus' purpose for coming was to fix the fault in the original covenant between God and the nation of Israel.

The path to everlasting life under that first covenant was to never sin. That is, the wages of sin is the second death, and all have sinned and are headed for the second and everlasting death. Therefore, no human had ever gained eternal life under that first covenant.
Abraham sinned, will he suffer the second death or the first death yet? (Gen 20:2)
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pmSince the first covenant contained that fault, God created a second or New Testament:

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (Hebrews 8:6-7)
What was the covenant/agreement by God to Israel in the OT? (Ex 19:5-6) Before God give the law to Moses, God said, if Israel obey my voice, then out of all nations they will be my treasured possession. These are the words you (Moses) are to speak to the Israelites and all the people agreed and said, "we will do everything the Lord has said." Because the people of Israel always fail to follow what God said, new covenant/agreement was made that God will put His laws in their mind and heart of God's people.(Heb 8:10). See Bible lexicon definition of "covenant" below.
Ex 19:5-8
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

NT:1242 covenant "diatheékees"
the verbal content of an agreement between two persons specifying reciprocal benefits and responsibilities
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pmHere's how that was accomplished:

The Word was made flesh as the Jewish man Jesus Christ. Jesus lived a sinless human life and became the only human to become an heir unto everlasting life under that original covenant. God then allowed Jesus to freely gift his inheritance to those who believe in Him as their Savior under terms of the New Testament Covenant. Thus, everlasting life became a gift of God through Jesus Christ:
Yes, Jesus has the eternal life.(1John 5:20)
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pmThat fixed the fault in the original covenant and fulfilled Jesus' purpose. :D

This New Testament Covenant was opened to any human being -- whosoever believeth!
The covenant you quote in Heb 8, through context speak about the placement of the law, from the tablets of stone to the tablets of the heart.

2 Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:46 pmFor God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
Yes, indeed.

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