False Prophets

[placebofactor]

I do not write this with meanness, only to make people aware of the truth.

Jehovah’s Witnesses' prediction of end time prophesy began in 1874 by Taze Russell. Russell was convinced that this was the year marking the end of 6000 years, and of Jesus' invisible presence. Next, the Watchtower’s 1914 prophecy came into existence, yet insisting on the invisible presence of Jesus. Great cataclysmic events were to come, and within 26 years, all Gentile governments would end.

When 1914 came and went the Watchtower changed it to 1915. They claimed these were God’s dates, not men. Russell died in 1916, never seeing his prophecies come to reality. Their next claim, 1914 was not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. The Watchtower's current claim is, that Christ’s second presence occurred in 1914, and Armageddon is yet in the future.

Their next prediction came by way of J.R. Rutherford, their new spiritual leader. He predicted that 1918 would be the Downfall of Christianity and that Jehovah would destroy the churches and their members by the millions. When 1918 passed, the Watchtower moved the date to 1926. You can read about it in their publication of “Finished Mystery.”

Rutherford predicted the end would be precipitated in 1925 by the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named in Hebrews 11, returned to the condition of human perfection. When that date passed, they expected the prophets to return in 1942.

In the 1960s, the Jehovah’s Witnesses began to teach that Armageddon and the end of human history would come in 1975: They would claim that in 1975 many of that generation would still be alive. Of course, 1975 has come and went, and Armageddon has not occurred. It is now 2025, and my question is, “How many of the 1914 generation are still alive.” My guess, is “none.”

In October 1995 the Watchtower claimed it was “the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away.” But time has run out for them and the 1914 generation. In November 1995, the Watchtower replaced the above wording with “the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things, leaving out the phrase “before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away.”

So, there you have it, one false prophesy after another. No Holy Spirit, no truth! All we can do is pray that one day they will see the true Light, Jesus Christ.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, there you have it, one false prophesy after another.

It is absolutely false to claim Jehovahs Witnesses have made any "FALSE PROPHECIES".

The truth is they have (like most other Christian groups) only sought to understand the existing time prophecies in the bible. Some they have gotten right, others they have gotten wrong (and humbly admitted so). Since even the faithful Apostles had false expectations and needed correction, there is no valid reason to condemn the Jehovahs Witnesses for their sincere efforts to understand the time prophecies in the bible.





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[JehovahsWitness]

NOTE : The Jehovahs Witness religion is a progressive religion meaning changes and adjustment is part of their theology and not somethjng they view as at all problematic.

Note the following entry from the official JW website

What a privilege it is to live at a time when Jehovah is progressively clarifying Bible understanding more than ever. (Dan. 12:4) Even so, we may find it challenging to keep up with adjustments to our understanding of Bible truths. Where can we find these adjustments and explanations? The Watch Tower Publications Index entry “Beliefs Clarified” provides a complete list of adjustments sorted by year. For a list of topics, enter “understanding clarified” (including the quotation marks) in the search box of Watchtower Library or Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY™.
source https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... Study-Tip/

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[JehovahsWitness]

Charles Taze Russell (first President of the Watchtower society) never declared himself a PROPHET, never laid claim to infallibility and never presented any of his interpretations as "prophecies"

Did Taze Russell. Russell believe 1914 marked the end of 6000 years of human existence ?

No. Jehovahs Witnesses have long held that 1914 marked the end of the Gentile times. They were however not sure on what that would mean for them as spirit anointed Christians and some expectations proved premature

Did the early bible students change the above to 1915 or 1916?

No. To this day Jehovahs Witnesses hold that the gentile times did indeed end in 1914. Today they have a better understanding of what that means for mankind in general and spirit anointed Christians in particular

Did Jehovahs Witnesses believe the generation of 1914 would see Armageddon?

Yes and Jehovah's Witnesses STILL believe this to be the case. They have however had to come to a more accurate understanding of what a biblical "generation" is.

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GLOSSARY OF TERMS [END TIMES]

[JehovahsWitness]

NOTE For Jehovahs Witnesses "the fall of Babylon the Great " (including its most reprehensible part, the churches of Christendom) simply means the end of the dominance or false religion over true Christians meaning the reemergence of a true Christian church on the world scene. In JW terminology it does NOT mean the destruction of false religions

Did J R Rutherford predicted the downfall of Christianity in 1918 ?

According to the Watchtower , Novembre 2016 p. 21 {quote} "For many years, this journal suggested that God’s modern-day servants entered into Babylonian captivity in 1918 and that they were released from Babylon in 1919"{end quote} While 1919 is, to this day still held to be the year false religion (Babylon) "fell" the full understanding has and continues to be adjusted. The early bible students, including Rutherford certainly got many details wrong in this regard as they were only just clarifying bible truths.

Did the early Witnesses believe 1925 would mark the beginning of an earthly resurrection?

Yes. They were wrong about that. However expectations for this event were NOT subsequently moved to 1942?

DOCUDRAMA ("Into the Light") covers the period from the 20's to the 1950s

Did the Watchtower ever actually predict that Armageddon would come in 1975?

No, it did not. That said, the publishers did openly speculate whether, since that year marked 6000 years of human existence, this MIGHT be the case.

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GENTILLE TIMES , LAST DAYS and ... 1914

[placebofactor]

NOTE For Jehovahs Witnesses "the fall of Babylon the Great " (including its most reprehensible part, the churches of Christendom) simply means the end of the dominance or false religion over true Christians. In JW terminology it does NOT mean the destruction of these religions

Did J R Rutherford predicted the downfall of Christianity in 1918 ?

According to the Watchtower , Novembre 2016 p. 21 {quote} "For many years, this journal suggested that God’s modern-day servants entered into Babylonian captivity in 1918 and that they were released from Babylon in 1919"{end quote} While 1919 is, to this day still held to be the year false religion (Babylon) "fell" the full understanding has and continues to be adjusted. The early bible students, including Rutherford certainly got many details wrong in this regard as they were only just clarifying bible truths.

Did the early Witnesses believe 1925 would mark the beginning of an earthly resurrection?

Yes. They were wrong about that. However expectations for this event were NOT subsequently moved to 1942?

DOCUDRAMA ("Into the Light") covers the period from the 20's to the 1950s

Did the Watchtower ever actually predict that Armageddon would come in 1975?

No, it did not. That said, the publishers did openly speculate whether, since that year marked 6000 years of human existence, this MIGHT be the case.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GENTILLE TIMES , LAST DAYS and ... 1914

I'm curious; how did the Witnesses calculate the date 4025 B.C. as 6000 years? All recognized chronologists calculated 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher, John Lightfoot, and I believe Sir Isaac Newton. Also, is 4025 B.C. the day of creation, or the time of Adam and Eve's eviction from the garden?

[JehovahsWitness]

I'm curious; how did the Witnesses calculate the date 4025 B.C. as 6000 years ? All recognized chronologists calculated 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher, John Lightfoot, and I believe Sir Isaac Newton. Also, is 4025 B.C. the day of creation, or the time of Adam and Eve's eviction from the garden?

The Witnesses presently calculate 4026 BCE to be the year of Adam's creation , this is based on bible genealogies.

DETAILS HERE --> https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990130#h=8

I'm not sure why our dates differ from other biblical chronologists, possibly because they do not use 539 (see link above) as their starting point

[placebofactor]

I'm curious; how did the Witnesses calculate the date 4025 B.C. as 6000 years ? All recognized chronologists calculated 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher, John Lightfoot, and I believe Sir Isaac Newton. Also, is 4025 B.C. the day of creation, or the time of Adam and Eve's eviction from the garden?

The Witnesses presently calculate 4026 BCE to be the year of Adam's creation , this is based on bible genealogies.

DETAILS HERE --> https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990130#h=8

I'm not sure why our dates differ from other biblical chronologists, possibly because they do not use 539 (see link above) as their starting point

Like you, I have never done any work on the Chronology of the Bible. But for several reasons, I have to agree with the October 23, 4004 B.C. date. Exactly 4000 years from October of 4004 B.C. Jesus was born. His birth occurred between the 15th and 30th of October in 4 B.C., possibly on the Autom Equinix, and two years before the death of Harod the Great. Jesus brought with him 30 years of Jehovah's "peace and goodwill." In 27 A.D. when he turned 30 the war between Satan, man and the LORD started up again. Two thousand years remain for this war to continue, this takes us to October 2027. I like that date because it agrees with other end-time dates I have calculated from Hosea 6:1-2, and from Daniel 12:11-12. The clues left by these two prophets agree with October 2027 being the time Jacob's trouble begins, and 3 1/2 years later in April of 2031, Christ returns. Anyway, that's my take.

One thing I have been disappointed with on this forum is the lack of interest in end-time prophesy. I believe what scares most people away is found in Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." But that verse are misunderstood. Maybe I will post on the subject.

[JehovahsWitness]

One thing I have been disappointed with on this forum is the lack of interest in end-time prophesy. I believe what scares most people away is found in Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." But that verse are misunderstood. Maybe I will post on the subject.

Thats rich coming from you Placebo! You just posted a thread insinuating Jehovahs Witnesses are FALSE PROPHETS for our sincere efforts to interpret end tIme prophecies ; now you suggest presenting your own theories and have the nerve to lament that not enough Christians share your interest ! Do you see the irony?

In post #8 you literally propose two future dates for the fulfillment of bible prophecy, literally doing the exact same thing Jehovahs Witnesses did, yet we are "false prophets" and you are a bible student

You slander us in the OP.

• You don't even acknowledge the corrections I posted of the errors you made

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• You offer no retraction, no apology.

• And then you tell me, a Jehovahs Witness, you wish more Christians did what we have been doing for 150 years.

[onewithhim]

NOTE For Jehovahs Witnesses "the fall of Babylon the Great " (including its most reprehensible part, the churches of Christendom) simply means the end of the dominance or false religion over true Christians. In JW terminology it does NOT mean the destruction of these religions

Did J R Rutherford predicted the downfall of Christianity in 1918 ?

According to the Watchtower , Novembre 2016 p. 21 {quote} "For many years, this journal suggested that God’s modern-day servants entered into Babylonian captivity in 1918 and that they were released from Babylon in 1919"{end quote} While 1919 is, to this day still held to be the year false religion (Babylon) "fell" the full understanding has and continues to be adjusted. The early bible students, including Rutherford certainly got many details wrong in this regard as they were only just clarifying bible truths.

Did the early Witnesses believe 1925 would mark the beginning of an earthly resurrection?

Yes. They were wrong about that. However expectations for this event were NOT subsequently moved to 1942?

DOCUDRAMA ("Into the Light") covers the period from the 20's to the 1950s

Did the Watchtower ever actually predict that Armageddon would come in 1975?

No, it did not. That said, the publishers did openly speculate whether, since that year marked 6000 years of human existence, this MIGHT be the case.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GENTILLE TIMES , LAST DAYS and ... 1914

I'm curious; how did the Witnesses calculate the date 4025 B.C. as 6000 years? All recognized chronologists calculated 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher, John Lightfoot, and I believe Sir Isaac Newton. Also, is 4025 B.C. the day of creation, or the time of Adam and Eve's eviction from the garden?

That would be the creation of Adam.