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John 1:1, the word was "a god."

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Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."

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placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."

I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."

I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."

Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8

Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.

Pe 1:3 as G5613  all things  G3956  to us G1473 G3588  2divine G2304  3power G1411  1of his], G1473  the things  G3588  for G4314  life G2222  and G2532  piety, G2150  being presented G1433  through G1223  the G3588  full knowledge G1922  of the one G3588  having called G2564  us G1473  by G1223  glory G1391  and G2532  virtue, G703

G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.

G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
The search function on this forum is pretty good.

JehovahsWitness posted this link in a previous thread. This post may be more directly what you are looking for.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."

I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."

Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8

Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.

Pe 1:3 as G5613  all things  G3956  to us G1473 G3588  2divine G2304  3power G1411  1of his], G1473  the things  G3588  for G4314  life G2222  and G2532  piety, G2150  being presented G1433  through G1223  the G3588  full knowledge G1922  of the one G3588  having called G2564  us G1473  by G1223  glory G1391  and G2532  virtue, G703

G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.

G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
Look, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:09 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."

I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."

Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8

Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.

Pe 1:3 as G5613  all things  G3956  to us G1473 G3588  2divine G2304  3power G1411  1of his], G1473  the things  G3588  for G4314  life G2222  and G2532  piety, G2150  being presented G1433  through G1223  the G3588  full knowledge G1922  of the one G3588  having called G2564  us G1473  by G1223  glory G1391  and G2532  virtue, G703

G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.

G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
Look, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.
Historia just posted a link for you onewithhim.

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Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:09 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."

101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."

I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."

Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8

Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.

Pe 1:3 as G5613  all things  G3956  to us G1473 G3588  2divine G2304  3power G1411  1of his], G1473  the things  G3588  for G4314  life G2222  and G2532  piety, G2150  being presented G1433  through G1223  the G3588  full knowledge G1922  of the one G3588  having called G2564  us G1473  by G1223  glory G1391  and G2532  virtue, G703

G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.

G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
Look, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.
Historia just posted a link for you onewithhim.
Somehow a couple of posts here got deleted.

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #8]

(1) The New Testament in an Improved Version (Unitarian) says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

(2) The New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses) says: "and the Word was a god."

(3) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson (Christadelphian?) says in the interlinear section: "a god was the Word."

(4) The Four Gospels - A New Translation by Prof. Charles C. Torrey says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was god."

(5) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Siegfried Shultz says: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word."

(6) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Johannes Schneider says: "and godlike sort was the Logos [Word]."

(7) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Jurgen Becker says: "and a god was the Logos."

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Even some noted trinitarian scholars are forced to admit that grammatically John 1:1c in NT Greek may be literally translated as “the Word was a god”! These include:


W. E. Vine (p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Thomas Nelson, Inc., 1983 printing.);

Dr. C. H. Dodd (director of the New English Bible project, Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, vol. 28, Jan. 1977);

Dr. Murray J. Harris (p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992);

Rev. J. W. Wenham, p. 35, The Elements of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1965;

Dr. Robert Young (p. 54, ‘New Covenant’ section, Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, Baker Book House, 1977 printing).

Dr. William Barclay (p. 205, Ever yours, edited by C. L. Rawlins, Labarum Publ., 1985).

Of course, being trinitarians, they often insist that the correct interpretation of such a literal translation must be, somehow, trinitarian in spite of the actual literal meaning.

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