John 1:1, the word was "a god."
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John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #1Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #2All I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #3To be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pmAll I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #4onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pmTo be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pmAll I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."
Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8
Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.
Pe 1:3 as G5613 all things G3956 to us G1473 G3588 2divine G2304 3power G1411 1of his], G1473 the things G3588 for G4314 life G2222 and G2532 piety, G2150 being presented G1433 through G1223 the G3588 full knowledge G1922 of the one G3588 having called G2564 us G1473 by G1223 glory G1391 and G2532 virtue, G703
G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.
G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #5The search function on this forum is pretty good.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
JehovahsWitness posted this link in a previous thread. This post may be more directly what you are looking for.
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #6Look, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pmTo be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pmAll I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."
Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8
Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.
Pe 1:3 as G5613 all things G3956 to us G1473 G3588 2divine G2304 3power G1411 1of his], G1473 the things G3588 for G4314 life G2222 and G2532 piety, G2150 being presented G1433 through G1223 the G3588 full knowledge G1922 of the one G3588 having called G2564 us G1473 by G1223 glory G1391 and G2532 virtue, G703
G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.
G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #7Historia just posted a link for you onewithhim.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:09 pmLook, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pmTo be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pmAll I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."
Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8
Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.
Pe 1:3 as G5613 all things G3956 to us G1473 G3588 2divine G2304 3power G1411 1of his], G1473 the things G3588 for G4314 life G2222 and G2532 piety, G2150 being presented G1433 through G1223 the G3588 full knowledge G1922 of the one G3588 having called G2564 us G1473 by G1223 glory G1391 and G2532 virtue, G703
G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.
G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #8Somehow a couple of posts here got deleted.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:58 pmHistoria just posted a link for you onewithhim.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:09 pmLook, Capbook. I'm not reacting to anything you have to say here because I specifically asked people who know about the list to respond. Just them.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:18 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:51 pmTo be fair, Moffatt's Translation says "and the word was DIVINE," and the Emphatic Diaglott renders it "and the word was a god."placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 2:15 pmAll I found was the N.W.T. that reads, "And the Word was a god."onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:52 pm Does anyone here have the list of Bible versions that say of John 1:1c "the word was a god"? I know there are several.
101 other Bibles read, "The word was God."
I asked if anyone has the list, because I know it exists. I saw it years ago on this thread. There were several versions that said "a god."
Before deny "Godhead", now deny "Deity", is "Divine" your final exit?
And the Moffat translation above is not word by word, is translated more “freely.” That might be some were misguided.https://www.google.com/search?q=is+moff ... e&ie=UTF-8
Even that fact, Bible lexicon defined the word "Divine", in Greek "theios" as pertaining to God. I quote Mounce lexicon as you don't like Thayer.
If you want to see Thayer's, it means as the only and true God, trinity etc.
Pe 1:3 as G5613 all things G3956 to us G1473 G3588 2divine G2304 3power G1411 1of his], G1473 the things G3588 for G4314 life G2222 and G2532 piety, G2150 being presented G1433 through G1223 the G3588 full knowledge G1922 of the one G3588 having called G2564 us G1473 by G1223 glory G1391 and G2532 virtue, G703
G2304 (Mounce)
θεῖος theios
3x: divine, pertaining to God, 2Pe 1:3-4; τὸ θεῖον, the divine nature, divinity, Act 17:29.
G2304 (Thayer)
θεῖος theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #9[Replying to onewithhim in post #8]
(1) The New Testament in an Improved Version (Unitarian) says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
(2) The New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses) says: "and the Word was a god."
(3) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson (Christadelphian?) says in the interlinear section: "a god was the Word."
(4) The Four Gospels - A New Translation by Prof. Charles C. Torrey says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was god."
(5) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Siegfried Shultz says: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word."
(6) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Johannes Schneider says: "and godlike sort was the Logos [Word]."
(7) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Jurgen Becker says: "and a god was the Logos."
(1) The New Testament in an Improved Version (Unitarian) says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
(2) The New World Translation (Jehovah's Witnesses) says: "and the Word was a god."
(3) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson (Christadelphian?) says in the interlinear section: "a god was the Word."
(4) The Four Gospels - A New Translation by Prof. Charles C. Torrey says: "the Word was with God, and the Word was god."
(5) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Siegfried Shultz says: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word."
(6) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Johannes Schneider says: "and godlike sort was the Logos [Word]."
(7) Das Evangelium nach Johannes by Jurgen Becker says: "and a god was the Logos."
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Re: John 1:1, the word was "a god."
Post #10Even some noted trinitarian scholars are forced to admit that grammatically John 1:1c in NT Greek may be literally translated as “the Word was a god”! These include:
W. E. Vine (p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Thomas Nelson, Inc., 1983 printing.);
Dr. C. H. Dodd (director of the New English Bible project, Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, vol. 28, Jan. 1977);
Dr. Murray J. Harris (p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992);
Rev. J. W. Wenham, p. 35, The Elements of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1965;
Dr. Robert Young (p. 54, ‘New Covenant’ section, Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, Baker Book House, 1977 printing).
Dr. William Barclay (p. 205, Ever yours, edited by C. L. Rawlins, Labarum Publ., 1985).
Of course, being trinitarians, they often insist that the correct interpretation of such a literal translation must be, somehow, trinitarian in spite of the actual literal meaning.
W. E. Vine (p. 490, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Thomas Nelson, Inc., 1983 printing.);
Dr. C. H. Dodd (director of the New English Bible project, Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, vol. 28, Jan. 1977);
Dr. Murray J. Harris (p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992);
Rev. J. W. Wenham, p. 35, The Elements of New Testament Greek, Cambridge University Press, 1965;
Dr. Robert Young (p. 54, ‘New Covenant’ section, Young’s Concise Critical Bible Commentary, Baker Book House, 1977 printing).
Dr. William Barclay (p. 205, Ever yours, edited by C. L. Rawlins, Labarum Publ., 1985).
Of course, being trinitarians, they often insist that the correct interpretation of such a literal translation must be, somehow, trinitarian in spite of the actual literal meaning.