The Origin and Destiny of man

[Revelations won]

True religion should clearly answer the question of the origin and destiny of man.

1. Where did we come from?

2 Why are we here?

3. What is the eternal destiny of man?

May we hear your clear knowledge of the above questions.

[myth-one.com]

True religion should clearly answer the question of the origin and destiny of man.

1. Where did we come from/

2 Why are we here?

3. What is the eternal destiny of man

May we hear your clear knowledge of the above questions.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and assigned a host of angels on the earth as caretakers. Some of these spiritual bodied caretakers, led by their leader Satan, rebelled against God's authority. As a result, the earth came to be without form, void, and dark.

At this point God intervened and went to Plan B. He recreated the earth and made mortal mankind a little lower than the angels to be trained as replacement caretakers for those who rebelled. Now, if the original angels who understood the mysteries of the universe rebelled, why give the new caretakers this knowledge initially. Let them learn it the hard way through on the job training, the old school of hard knocks. That way they will appreciate the gift of eternal life more when it is given. How does this new "mankind" achieve eternal life? Through believing in the Son of God. The original angels assigned to the earth were obviously not respecters of God at the time of their rebellion. These lower beings (mankind) must respect and believe in the Son of God as a prerequisite to becoming a spiritual being which lives forever.

Man is in training to learn that the best way to rule the earth is under the rules of God. Meanwhile, Jesus has gone to prepare a new place for humans who accept Him. When He returns to save man from decimating the earth as the original caretakers did, He will bring the new place He has prepared with Him. The Genesis recreation required six days, after which God rested on the seventh day. The age of man's dominion over the earth will follow this same pattern, but in God days. Remember that to God a thousand years is like one of our days:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (II Peter 3:8)

Mankind thus has six thousand years from the Genesis recreation to rule the earth. A sabbath "day" of rest, the thousand-year millennium, will follow these six thousand years. Upon Jesus' return, those who believed on Him will be born a second time as spiritual beings. They will then become keepers of the earth under Jesus' rule. Those of mankind who are not born again as spirits will be cast into the lake of fire and their resurrected physical bodies will be killed a second time. This second death is permanent. There is no way to return from the second death, it is eternal. That is the end of them. There is no Plan C.

Is the process of teaching mankind through the school of hard knocks working? Possibly the second most brilliant man to ever live reached the following conclusion when reviewing his life on earth:

Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labor that I had labored to do: and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 2:11)

That man was Solomon. Solomon was asked by God in a dream what God should give him. Solomon requested wisdom and knowledge:

Give me now wisdom and knowledge... (II Chronicles 1:10)

One of the world's wisest men after a lifetime of seeking treasure, women, and whatever appeared to bring him pleasure; reached this final conclusion of the whole matter of life:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

Is this the lesson we are here to learn in our short lifetime, that we should fear God and keep His commandments? Yes! We learn this lesson by trying our way and failing. The answers about the best way to live are sealed in the scriptures. We learn them through trial and error and hard knocks if at all. The Bible is sealed until after the six-thousand-year training and weeding out period. The harder you have to work for something the more you appreciate it.

Of course, the most brilliant human who ever lived was Jesus Christ. As proof of this statement I submit the following sentence He spoke to a mob as they were preparing to stone a prostitute to death. This fifteen word sentence saved her life:

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. (John 8:7)

Those in the mob looked about at each other, then began to wander away one by one or in small groups until only two people remained. The prostitute and her Savior.

[John17_3]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

True religion should clearly answer the question of the origin and destiny of man.

1. Where did we come from?

2 Why are we here?

3. What is the eternal destiny of man?

May we hear your clear knowledge of the above questions.

God made the human family out of one man - Adam. Of course, Adam needed a woman, in order for that to be possible. Genesis 1:27, 28; Genesis 2:21-24
1. Acts 17:26-28

God's purpose, at the beginning is for man to be part of God's universal family. They were to be united with those in heaven and on earth. This will be fulfilled in the end. There will be a united family of heavenly sons, and earthly sons, all living with each other, in peace, under God's sovereignty.
2. Genesis 1:26-30; Genesis 2:7-25; Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 45:18;
3. Psalm 37:11, 29; Isaiah 65:17-25; Matthew 6:10; Ephesians 1:6-11; Revelation 21:3, 4

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

True religion should clearly answer the question of the origin and destiny of man.

1. Where did we come from?

2 Why are we here?

3. What is the eternal destiny of man?

May we hear your clear knowledge of the above questions.

God made the human family out of one man - Adam. Of course, Adam needed a woman, in order for that to be possible. Genesis 1:27, 28; Genesis 2:21-24
1. Acts 17:26-28

God's purpose, at the beginning is for man to be part of God's universal family. They were to be united with those in heaven and on earth. This will be fulfilled in the end. There will be a united family of heavenly sons, and earthly sons, all living with each other, in peace, under God's sovereignty.
2. Genesis 1:26-30; Genesis 2:7-25; Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 45:18;
3. Psalm 37:11, 29; Isaiah 65:17-25; Matthew 6:10; Ephesians 1:6-11; Revelation 21:3, 4

Adam and Eve can be traced back to about 6,000 years ago. But the earth is about 4.54 billion years of age.

So Adam & Eve were not created when the earth was originally created in the beginning.

They were created about 6,000 years ago in the re-creation of an earth which had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2]

This is very interesting.
I'm interested in how you go about gathering your ideas.
Is it by speculation; other books; How do you determine that a certain idea is true, if it is not written in scripture?
For example...

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and assigned a host of angels on the earth as caretakers.

Since this is not found in the scriptures, would you agree this idea is not scripturally based, but is a view that cannot be stated as fact, or truth?

Some of these spiritual bodied caretakers, led by their leader Satan, rebelled against God's authority. As a result, the earth came to be without form, void, and dark.

You can see then how an idea is then used as a basis for interpretation, rather than the scriptures being the basis for understanding, because you'll notice, you mixed an unrelated scripture with an idea, in order to lead to the idea you formed as a foundation to build on.

At this point God intervened and went to Plan B. He recreated the earth and made mortal mankind a little lower than the angels to be trained as replacement caretakers for those who rebelled.

Might it not be better, to let persons know that this is according to your opinion, because it can be quite misleading, to indicate that this is truthfully Biblical, and can cause confusion for persons who are not very familiar with the Bible.
It would also be the right course, if you try to support your assertions/arguments with evidence.

Would you like to do so, starting from the beginning?

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #4]

Adam and Eve can be traced back to about 6,000 years ago. But the earth is about 4.54 billion years of age.

So Adam & Eve were not created when the earth was originally created in the beginning.

I'm not sure how old the earth is. No one is, but I do agree it is older than Adam, by much, and yes, Adam and Eve were about 6,000 years old.
Earth younger than previously thought, say scientists

They were created about 6,000 years ago in the re-creation of an earth which had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate.

Can you show me where you got this from, please?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #4]

Adam and Eve can be traced back to about 6,000 years ago. But the earth is about 4.54 billion years of age.

So Adam & Eve were not created when the earth was originally created in the beginning.

I'm not sure how old the earth is. No one is, but I do agree it is older than Adam, by much, and yes, Adam and Eve were about 6,000 years old.
Earth younger than previously thought, say scientists

They were created about 6,000 years ago in the re-creation of an earth which had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate.

Can you show me where you got this from, please?

Sure, it's from a book entitled "The Holy Bible."

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1-2)

But the earth cannot have been created that way because every description of things made by God were seen to be good by God's estimation:

And God saw the light, that it was good. (Genesis 1:4)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:10)
(referring to dry ground)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)
(referring to vegetation)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:18)
(referring to night and day)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:21)
(referring to sea and air creatures)

...and God saw that it was good... (Genesis 1:25)
(referring to land creatures)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

So it kinda looks like God made everything in the original creation as good, and it became without form, empty, and dark.

Seven translations actually add the word "now" in verse 2:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now (at this time) the earth was formless and empty; and darkness was over the surface of the deep... (Genesis 1:1-2)

That is, God originally created the heavens and the earth good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark. Between verse one and verse two a period of time obviously occurred. Based on current scientific estimates, the time period between verse one and two was approximately 4.55 billion years. This is the current estimated age of the earth. Yes, dinosaurs did roam the earth sixty-five million years ago! The following "creation" described in detail in Genesis is actually a re-creation of a decimated earth originally created as very good in verse one. It is this re-creation that can be traced back to approximately 6,000 years ago. This idea that the creation described in detail in Genesis is actually a re-creation of a decimated earth is supported by other scripture verses:

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they (mankind) are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

So in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as good. Now the earth had become without form, void, and dark. Notice that only the earth had become without form, void, and dark. The "heaven" remained in good condition as it was created.

Suppose you were going to recreate something that had become "without form, void, and dark." What would be your first logical step? Would it be the same as God's first logical step? In verse three of chapter one, roughly 4.55 billion years from verse one, God performs the most obvious and logical first step in the recreation of the earth. He turns the lights back on:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Genesis 1:3)

What caused the original wonderfully created earth to degrade to the conditions as described in verse two? Sin and rebellion against the commandments of God produced chaos.

But who was on the earth to sin against God before mankind?

The angels.

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #7]

Sure, it's from a book entitled "The Holy Bible."

Remember.

They were created about 6,000 years ago in the re-creation of an earth which had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate.

Where does the Bible say the earth "had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate"?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1-2)

But the earth cannot have been created that way because every description of things made by God were seen to be good by God's estimation:

When were things seen to be good by God's estimation, concerning earth?
That was at Genesis 1:31-2:1, wasn't it.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning - the sixth day.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

Only after day 6 was everything completed, and God considered everything very good.
In the initial state, of earth's creation, the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

• Over periods of time, from Genesis 1:3 to Genesis 1:23, God gradually made the earth take form, and there was light upon the earth, as well as vegetation.

• Then God brought forth animal life, and humans to live on the earth. Genesis 1:24-27

• The garden God planted, and placed the man, was a paradise. Genesis 2:8-15

• However, man was to make the whole earth a paradise, where both man and beast, live in peace, and multiply and fill the earth... enjoying food to satisfaction. Genesis 1:28-30

The earth was created without form, and void.
Since you are using science, this is the initial state.
It is not entirely accurate according to scientific discovery, but it gives you a mental image of how the earth was created without form and void.
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Please bare in mind that initially, the earth is not spherical.

And God saw the light, that it was good. (Genesis 1:4)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:10)
(referring to dry ground)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)
(referring to vegetation)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:18)
(referring to night and day)

...and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:21)
(referring to sea and air creatures)

...and God saw that it was good... (Genesis 1:25)
(referring to land creatures)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

So it kinda looks like God made everything in the original creation as good, and it became without form, empty, and dark.

At verse 31, it not "kinda looks", it is the case that everything was good. Not at verse 2.
Verse 2 is the initial state. While verse 31, is the completion of everything.
Please see my earlier comments above.

That is, God originally created the heavens and the earth good in verse one, and over a period of time the earth had become formless, void, and dark.

This does not seem to harmonize with what you said, next.

Between verse one and verse two a period of time obviously occurred. Based on current scientific estimates, the time period between verse one and two was approximately 4.55 billion years. This is the current estimated age of the earth.

Why is verse 1 a sudden one shot action where everything is good, and then verse 2 "a period of time obviously occurred. Based on current scientific estimates, the time period between verse one and two was approximately 4.55 billion years"?
That is not being consistent, is it.

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they (mankind) are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

So in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as good. Now the earth had become without form, void, and dark. Notice that only the earth had become without form, void, and dark. The "heaven" remained in good condition as it was created.

This disagrees with what you said earlier.

He recreated the earth and made mortal mankind a little lower than the angels to be trained as replacement caretakers for those who rebelled.

You quoted Psalm 104:30 as saying, "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they (mankind) are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth."

So, the renewal of the face of the earth here, is not recreated the earth, but populating the face of the earth as new. Which sounds like Isaiah 65:17.

However, there is no reason to assume the earth became without form and void, over time, rather than accept the chronology and narrative of the Bible, and especially since you are using science, the scientific view on the earth's state at its creation.
Of course, if we have a presumption, we may try to fit Genesis into that presumption, but we don't want to do that, since that only opens the door to speculation, as is demonstrated in your posts.

Don't forget, you haven't shown from scripture that the earth "had become without form, void, and dark due to the angels which left their first estate".
That makes any view built on that idea, merely an idea of man.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to John17_3 in post #8]

Genesis Chapter 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Did God create the earth without form, void, and dark as Genesis 1:2 describes it?

[John17_3]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #9]

Genesis Chapter 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Did God create the earth without form, void, and dark as Genesis 1:2 describes it?

Yes. That's exactly what we read, without inserting - adding, as the Bible says not to do, or taking away, as the Bible says not to do.
God created the heavens and the earth. -> And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. -> And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The earth initial state does not remain that way.
Progressively, the earth takes form, and as the narrative continues, in the following verses, you see what is occurring step by step.

Since you are using the scientific approach, you can allow science to fill in some of the "blanks" - those details the Bible does not give us - like how the earth went from almost flat, to spherical.

New research finds that young planets are flattened structures rather than spherical

Heating had a very important consequence for Earth’s structure. As Earth grew, it collected a mixture of silicate mineral grains as well as iron and nickel. These materials were scattered throughout Earth. That changed when Earth began to heat up: it got so hot that both the silicate minerals and the metals melted. The metal melt was much denser than the silicate mineral melt, so the metal melt sank to Earth’s center to become its core, and the silicate melt rose upward to become Earth’s crust and mantle. In other words, Earth unmixed itself. The separation of silicate minerals and metals into a rocky outer layer and a metallic core, respectively, is called differentiation. Gravity has since pulled Earth into an almost spherical shape with a radius of 6371 km, and a circumference of about 40,000 km. However, it is not a perfect sphere, as the Earth’s rotation causes an equatorial bulge, so that the Earth’s circumference is 21 km (0.3%) wider at the equator than it is pole to pole. Thus it is technically an “oblate spheroid.”

How water covered the earth.

...cosmochemist Laurette Piani from the Université de Lorraine argues that the ingredients to form water were bound up in the rocks that formed Earth.

Dr Piani and colleagues analysed 13 rare meteorites that come from remnants of rocks that orbited the inner solar system when it was very young — before planets formed.

These meteorites (called enstatite chondrites), are made of the kind of rock believed to have formed Earth.

"At least three times the amount of water in the Earth's oceans can be provided by these enstatite chondrites," said Dr Piani.

She and colleagues didn't actually analyse water itself in the rocks, but measured one of its building blocks — hydrogen, bound up in the minerals — as a proxy instead.

"If you have hydrogen, it will combine with the oxygen to create water very easily on Earth," Dr Piani said.

The researchers found the hydrogen signature in the meteorites matched that of rocks found in a layer of the Earth called the mantle.

Like the meteorites, rocks in the mantle also contain a lot of oxygen bound up with minerals, which can be liberated under certain circumstances, and combine with the hydrogen to form actual water — H20.

This happens in magma, molten rock containing dissolved water that rises from the mantle to the surface in volcanoes.

It's really interesting how the answer to this age old question is answered in the Bible, but it is still being debated, and no one will ever be able to prove their theory.