Can a Trans Man show their Breasts?

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: Can a trans man walk around shirtless and bra-less, even if they haven't had their breasts removed yet? If not, do natural-born males have to cover their breasts, if they have them for some weird medical reason, like being very hefty?

Sub-Question 1: Should trans men be drafted? (FYI, they can't be, at the moment.) Should women be drafted?

Sub-Question 2: Why do trans rights matter so much when we don't even have equal gender rights? (Maybe if we had gender equality we wouldn't need special rights to be treated as the opposite gender since the genders would have the same rights in the first place...)

I apologise by the way. This is my angry 4th of July, I hate my country and my world topic.

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: Can a trans man walk around shirtless and bra-less, even if they haven't had their breasts removed yet? If not, do natural-born males have to cover their breasts, if they have them for some weird medical reason, like being very hefty?

That's a dumb question. Women should have to cover their breasts and men shouldn't, because men are special. Trans men should have to cover their breasts, because they're not special. It's all fake don'tcha know. You can't become more special or valuable just by saying so. There's a pecking order to all this, and it's quite simple and logical.

Sub-Question 1: Should trans men be drafted? (FYI, they can't be, at the moment.) Should women be drafted?

Of course women and trans men shouldn't be drafted. Nevermind how dishonourable is it for women. Biological females actually are less then men, and worthless. Worth, like the worth of being a man, is not something you can have by saying so. It's a real thing. I mean, if biological females were worth anything, they could be used for that thing, for which they were worthwhile. And they'd be drafted to do that thing. The military could find some use for it, whatever it was. But trans women should not be drafted because it's not fake and they're really truly women. We're not just pretending. One of the things you get for real worth, like the worth of being a man, is that everyone has to bend over backwards for you. You get to say how the world is. And if you say you're a woman, you are one!

Sub-Question 2: Why do trans rights matter so much when we don't even have equal gender rights?

Because trans people are special, so they should have more rights. Biological females are not special, so they should have fewer rights, if any. Duh.

I apologise by the way. This is my angry 4th of July, I hate my country and my world topic.

Enjoy your ban. Reported for saying offensive garbage. Happy 4th of July!

[brunumb]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]

Activists have made their position perfectly clear. Trans-men are men and trans-women are women. Where governing bodies have legitimised that position it follows that, yes, trans-men should be considered for national service and their nipple able to be exposed in public.

That said, I do not subscribe to any of this gender ideology. Trans is a mental disorder affecting a very small number of people and should be treated accordingly. It appears that a significant proportion of the people now identifying as trans do not really suffer from gender dysphoria. They are transvestites taking advantage of the current wave of ideological capture among influential bodies. You know something is seriously wrong when governments legislate that even suggesting therapy for gender confused individuals is a criminal offense.

[Yozavan]

I change my mind. I don't think it matters if a man shows his breasts, because nobody's looking with lust.

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]

Activists have made their position perfectly clear. Trans-men are men and trans-women are women.

Then why isn't the army coming under fire for not drafting trans men? I can't say a trans woman isn't a woman... I'll probably go to jail. Yet our very legal system tells trans men they aren't men. And, what, crickets? Activism has gone from protesting what's wrong because it is wrong, to protesting what is wrong because it is convenient and they can use their high morals to bully those with low morals. Where those with low morals have high ability to defend themselves, the statement is simply not made. Yes, this is just one cynic's opinion, but I don't see another way to align the behaviour to reality and explain it.

Now, what I will say is maybe it's not bad to only want to fight battles you know you can win. If you're in the right, you're in the right. I've always had a problem with the entertainment trope that the hero always has to be weaker than the villain, and win, but just barely, by the skin of his teeth. It gets tiresome and I admit wanting to see a powerful good guy struggle to overcome a plucky, lucky, resourceful villain who is ten times weaker than the hero. Would this make people think the bad guy was the good guy? Is it really true that the establishment is always the bad guy and the upstart rebel is right, by virtue of being the upstart rebel? If I want to say no to this, then I have to also say people aren't less virtuous because they're strong bullies who always win against weaker opponents.

Where governing bodies have legitimised that position it follows that, yes, trans-men should be considered for national service and their nipple able to be exposed in public.

It seems to me (again admitting my cynicism level of over 9000) that all outrage is manufactured. If it's oh-my-god-I-saw-a-nipple, then why isn't it that, when it's a nipple attached to a man? The nipple can even be attached to quite a supple hunk of flesh when it's a very hefty man. It additionally seems like society understands that all outrage is manufactured and sets it on high, anyway. Nobody's been hurt. But, what we actually want, is a dominance system designed to reward the cleverest, and the best manipulators of language. So, whoever can say they are hurt and argue it best, we will pretend he is hurt, and the law will back him up. That's how two identical nipples on two identical hunks of flesh can be regarded differently.

If I'm right, it's the pretenders that our society is trying to uplift, and it was never about the people with the real disorder in the first place.

[mrrobot1994]

Question for Debate: Can a trans man walk around shirtless and bra-less, even if they haven't had their breasts removed yet? If not, do natural-born males have to cover their breasts, if they have them for some weird medical reason, like being very hefty? Sub-Question 1: Should trans men be drafted? (FYI, they can't be, at the moment.) anime Should women be drafted ? Sub-Question 2: Why do trans rights matter so much when we don't even have equal gender rights?(Maybe if we had gender equality we wouldn't need special rights to be treated as the opposite gender since the genders would have the same rights in the first place...)
I apologise by the way. This is my angry 4th of July, I hate my country and my world topic.

Whenever the cop decides it is. A cop will arrest a trans woman for showing her breasts, and then throw her in the men's jail. There are no good cops.

[brunumb]

A cop will arrest a trans woman for showing her breasts, and then throw her in the men's jail.

Can you back that up?

The first act indicates that the cop accepts the person as a woman. The second demonstrates that the cop recognises the person as a man. Contradictory.

[AgnosticBoy]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]

Activists have made their position perfectly clear. Trans-men are men and trans-women are women. Where governing bodies have legitimised that position it follows that, yes, trans-men should be considered for national service and their nipple able to be exposed in public.

That said, I do not subscribe to any of this gender ideology. Trans is a mental disorder affecting a very small number of people and should be treated accordingly. It appears that a significant proportion of the people now identifying as trans do not really suffer from gender dysphoria. They are transvestites taking advantage of the current wave of ideological capture among influential bodies. You know something is seriously wrong when governments legislate that even suggesting therapy for gender confused individuals is a criminal offense.

I wouldn't say that transgenderism is a mental disorder, but gender dysphoria is. Transgenderism is just one option for treating gender dysphoria. Still though, like you, I think it is abused.

It's also worth noting that it's hard to have these conversations because too many on the pro-trans side respond to their opponents by shaming and shunning them (going on a media campaign to paint someone in a negative light, cancel culture, boycotts, etc). as opposed to dealing with the logic and evidence of their opponents argument. It's one thing if someone believed some of the things they did despite NOT having logic and evidence for it. Only then I think we could consider if it's hateful and harmful, and shun that accordingly - make it a crime even. But if shaming and shunning is the bulk of the response to an opponent (as opposed to addressing their argument), then that itself is shameful and an attempt to silence opposition.

[marke]

Question for Debate: Can a trans man walk around shirtless and bra-less, even if they haven't had their breasts removed yet? If not, do natural-born males have to cover their breasts, if they have them for some weird medical reason, like being very hefty?

Sub-Question 1: Should trans men be drafted? (FYI, they can't be, at the moment.) Should women be drafted?

Sub-Question 2: Why do trans rights matter so much when we don't even have equal gender rights? (Maybe if we had gender equality we wouldn't need special rights to be treated as the opposite gender since the genders would have the same rights in the first place...)

I apologise by the way. This is my angry 4th of July, I hate my country and my world topic.

Biden had the bare-breasted barbarians on the White House lawn last year, celebrating the godlessness of transgender depravity.

[Clownboat]

Question for Debate: Can a trans man walk around shirtless and bra-less, even if they haven't had their breasts removed yet? If not, do natural-born males have to cover their breasts, if they have them for some weird medical reason, like being very hefty?

Sub-Question 1: Should trans men be drafted? (FYI, they can't be, at the moment.) Should women be drafted?

Sub-Question 2: Why do trans rights matter so much when we don't even have equal gender rights? (Maybe if we had gender equality we wouldn't need special rights to be treated as the opposite gender since the genders would have the same rights in the first place...)

I apologise by the way. This is my angry 4th of July, I hate my country and my world topic.

Biden had the bare-breasted barbarians on the White House lawn last year, celebrating the godlessness of transgender depravity.

Please tell me more about theses godless, depraved barbarians.
Or better yet, make a valid response to the debate question you quoted.