What are we to make of this?
Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)
"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)
"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."
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Post #2[Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]
Obviously rejecting the teachings of Jesus would be the textbook definition of un-Christian.
That said, remember that shows like this thrive on controversy. It is likely that this antidotal evidence was used to exaggerate how common such ideas actually are.
Obviously rejecting the teachings of Jesus would be the textbook definition of un-Christian.
That said, remember that shows like this thrive on controversy. It is likely that this antidotal evidence was used to exaggerate how common such ideas actually are.
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
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Post #3The great decline in evangelical believers can be blamed on this sort of shift by so many evangelical leaders. Jesus is now "politically incorrect" on the Christian right.
This is becoming particularly apparent within the US white evangelical community. In July 2021 the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) published new data, as part of its '2020 Census of American Religion', that is very revealing. The PRRI data reveals what can only be described as an extraordinary decline in the number of white Americans who now identify as 'evangelical Christians.' As the PRRI report concludes: "Since 2006, white evangelical Protestants have experienced the most precipitous drop in affiliation, shrinking from 23% of Americans in 2006 to 14% in 2020."
Not only this, but the PRRI research reveals that these white evangelicals constitute the oldest age-profile of any identifiable group of religious Americans. They have an average age of 56. In short, white US evangelicalism is both shrinking in size and failing to attract younger members. Or, as importantly, it is shedding its younger members who no longer wish to be classified as part of this group. If the current rate of decline continues, we could expect the number of US white evangelicals, as a percentage of the US adult population, to be in single figures by 2030. And they will also be old.
Glass half-empty, or glass half-full?
The data, though, is even more surprising than this. What the PRRI statistics reveal is that, while white evangelicalism seems to be declining, the numbers of what might be called 'mainline Protestants' is increasing. This includes the Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutheran Church, etc. These churches now represent 16.4% of the US population. In contrast with declining evangelical numbers, this is a movement up from 13% in 2016. As a result, if PRRI is correct in its polling methodology, 'mainline Protestants' now constitute a larger group in US society than white evangelicals. There is evidence which suggests that some members of the latter have shifted to the former.
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/ ... 137169.htm
For too many evangelical leaders, being on the right became more important than being right.
This is becoming particularly apparent within the US white evangelical community. In July 2021 the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) published new data, as part of its '2020 Census of American Religion', that is very revealing. The PRRI data reveals what can only be described as an extraordinary decline in the number of white Americans who now identify as 'evangelical Christians.' As the PRRI report concludes: "Since 2006, white evangelical Protestants have experienced the most precipitous drop in affiliation, shrinking from 23% of Americans in 2006 to 14% in 2020."
Not only this, but the PRRI research reveals that these white evangelicals constitute the oldest age-profile of any identifiable group of religious Americans. They have an average age of 56. In short, white US evangelicalism is both shrinking in size and failing to attract younger members. Or, as importantly, it is shedding its younger members who no longer wish to be classified as part of this group. If the current rate of decline continues, we could expect the number of US white evangelicals, as a percentage of the US adult population, to be in single figures by 2030. And they will also be old.
Glass half-empty, or glass half-full?
The data, though, is even more surprising than this. What the PRRI statistics reveal is that, while white evangelicalism seems to be declining, the numbers of what might be called 'mainline Protestants' is increasing. This includes the Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ, Evangelical Lutheran Church, etc. These churches now represent 16.4% of the US population. In contrast with declining evangelical numbers, this is a movement up from 13% in 2016. As a result, if PRRI is correct in its polling methodology, 'mainline Protestants' now constitute a larger group in US society than white evangelicals. There is evidence which suggests that some members of the latter have shifted to the former.
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/ ... 137169.htm
For too many evangelical leaders, being on the right became more important than being right.
Re: "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."
Post #4Leftist unbelievers butcher the Scriptures in their ignorance and then falsely accuse Christians of not supporting Jesus when the truth is that good Christians do not support the blatant butchery of Scriptures the left claims are Jesus' teachings.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:54 pm What are we to make of this?
Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)
"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)
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Post #5[Replying to marke in post #4]
How is Christian scripture butchered by quoting the Beatitudes?Leftist unbelievers butcher the Scriptures in their ignorance and then falsely accuse Christians of not supporting Jesus when the truth is that good Christians do not support the blatant butchery of Scriptures the left claims are Jesus' teachings.
"There is more room for a god in science than there is for no god in religious faith."
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Post #6If lefties claim Jesus was instructing governments to rob its working citizens to redistribute their wealth to the non-working and undeserving the lefties are butchering the Scriptures.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pm [Replying to marke in post #4]
How is Christian scripture butchered by quoting the Beatitudes?Leftist unbelievers butcher the Scriptures in their ignorance and then falsely accuse Christians of not supporting Jesus when the truth is that good Christians do not support the blatant butchery of Scriptures the left claims are Jesus' teachings.
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Post #7[Replying to marke in post #6]
The Christian apostles don't seem to have dismissed those who have need as "the non-working and undeserving".
As for robbing working citizens, isn't it tantamount to robbery to make working citizens slave away for a minimum wage which won't buy them health insurance?
"Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. (Acts 4:32-35)If lefties claim Jesus was instructing governments to rob its working citizens to redistribute their wealth to the non-working and undeserving the lefties are butchering the Scriptures.
The Christian apostles don't seem to have dismissed those who have need as "the non-working and undeserving".
As for robbing working citizens, isn't it tantamount to robbery to make working citizens slave away for a minimum wage which won't buy them health insurance?
"There is more room for a god in science than there is for no god in religious faith."
--Phil Plate
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Post #8Let's examine the testimony of Christians like Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. Which rich liberal has ever invited the poor into their homes to share all things in common? Modern lefties don't believe the stuff they falsely claim conservative Christians are in rebellion against God over.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:53 pm [Replying to marke in post #6]
"Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. (Acts 4:32-35)If lefties claim Jesus was instructing governments to rob its working citizens to redistribute their wealth to the non-working and undeserving the lefties are butchering the Scriptures.
The Christian apostles don't seem to have dismissed those who have need as "the non-working and undeserving".
As for robbing working citizens, isn't it tantamount to robbery to make working citizens slave away for a minimum wage which won't buy them health insurance?
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Post #9[Replying to marke in post #8]
I'm not saying that Obama, Biden and Clinton are as pure as the driven snow, nor am I claiming that "modern lefties" always practice what they preach. But if conservative Christians claim to practice what they preach, I don't see how they can reconcile their defense of massive wealth concentrated at the top of society with the social safety net established by the Christian apostles through the downward redistribution of wealth.Let's examine the testimony of Christians like Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. Which rich liberal has ever invited the poor into their homes to share all things in common? Modern lefties don't believe the stuff they falsely claim conservative Christians are in rebellion against God over.
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Post #10How much does Jesus tell Christians to give of their earnings to drunks, drug addicts, sex addicts and other depraved sinners in order to finance their sin?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:24 am [Replying to marke in post #8]
I'm not saying that Obama, Biden and Clinton are as pure as the driven snow, nor am I claiming that "modern lefties" always practice what they preach. But if conservative Christians claim to practice what they preach, I don't see how they can reconcile their defense of massive wealth concentrated at the top of society with the social safety net established by the Christian apostles through the downward redistribution of wealth.Let's examine the testimony of Christians like Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. Which rich liberal has ever invited the poor into their homes to share all things in common? Modern lefties don't believe the stuff they falsely claim conservative Christians are in rebellion against God over.
