HOW IS CHRIST THE FIRST BEGOTTEN FROM AMONG THE DEAD?

[Eddie Ramos]

If we look at all the people in the Bible who were ever brought to physical life after dying physically, then there were a total of six people who were raised to life before Christ himself was raised in 33 A.D. That would make Christ the 7th begotten from among the dead, would it not? Well, here is a list of all those who were raised before Christ:

The widow's son of Zarepath (1 Kings 17:17-24) Raised by Elijah
The Shunamite's son (2 Kings 4:20-37) Raised by Elisha
The man tossed into Elisha's tomb (2 Kings 13:21) Raised by the bones of Elisha
The widow's son of Nain (Luke 7:11-16) Raised by Jesus
Jarius' 12 year old daughter (Mark 5:35-43) Raised by Jesus
Lazarus (John 11:1-44) Raised by Jesus

This presents a problem for us if were looking to the time of the cross as the only time Jesus died and rose again. But when we can see that Jesus died and rose again from the foundation of the world, to pay for sins, then the statement made in Revelation 1:5 harmonizes perfectly with the scriptures as a whole when it declares that Christ was indeed the first begotten from among the dead. And because Christ was indeed the first to die and raise again, then this also agrees with the passage that tells us that he has preeminence in all things.

Colossians 1:18 (KJV 1900)
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence (be first).

For those who disagree that Christ died and rose before the world began, the topic of debate is to show from the scriptures how Christ is the first begotten from the dead when he was actually the 7th, if you're looking to the time of the cross as the only time he died and rose again.

[Miles]

[Eddie Ramos]

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #1]

Christ is the first begotten from the dead meaning that he is the first person to be resurrected with heaven in view---a resurrection to the spirit realm. Before Jesus' death, everyone had an earthly view of resurrection, and had no understanding that any human would go to heaven. (John 3:13) Other anointed people will follow him with their own resurrections, to heaven. These anointed are the "dead" that Christ was first-begotten in relation to. He is the first-begotten from the death of anointed persons who are all going to heaven.

[Eddie Ramos]

[Miles]

Aside from the example of Mark 5:35-43 where Jesus told the people "The child has not died, but is sleeping." I think you have a good point. There are five instances were the Bible says people were brought back from the dead, all of which predated Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection, which makes Colossians 1:18 false.

Jesus uses "sleeping" as a synonym for being dead.

So when Jesus said "The child has not died, but is sleeping." what he was really saying is "The child has not died, but is dead." And this makes sense to you?

That's only if you look to the time of the cross as the only time Christ died and rose again, which would contradict Colossians 1:18 as you stated. But because Christ died and rose again before the world began, Colossians 1:18 harmonizes perfectly, and the six who died and rose again, were not before Christ, but after him, making Christ the first in all things.

Where is it said that Jesus died and rose again before the world began? AND, where was he when he died?

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #5]

Elijah didn't go to the spiritual realm of heaven. He merely went up into the atmosphere where the birds fly, off to another assignment. Another few years and he is still alive and active as a prophet. He told King Jehoram of Judah that he was condemned by Jehovah. (2Chronicles 21:12-15)

[JehovahsWitness]

Christ was the firstborn from te dead in that he was the first to be raised to IMMORTALITY. The first human to be raised to immortal spirit life.




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THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD , RESURRECTION and ... HEAVEN

[2ndpillar2]

If we look at all the people in the Bible who were ever brought to physical life after dying physically, then there were a total of six people who were raised to life before Christ himself was raised in 33 A.D. That would make Christ the 7th begotten from among the dead, would it not? Well, here is a list of all those who were raised before Christ:

The widow's son of Zarepath (1 Kings 17:17-24) Raised by Elijah
The Shunamite's son (2 Kings 4:20-37) Raised by Elisha
The man tossed into Elisha's tomb (2 Kings 13:21) Raised by the bones of Elisha
The widow's son of Nain (Luke 7:11-16) Raised by Jesus
Jarius' 12 year old daughter (Mark 5:35-43) Raised by Jesus
Lazarus (John 11:1-44) Raised by Jesus

This presents a problem for us if were looking to the time of the cross as the only time Jesus died and rose again. But when we can see that Jesus died and rose again from the foundation of the world, to pay for sins, then the statement made in Revelation 1:5 harmonizes perfectly with the scriptures as a whole when it declares that Christ was indeed the first begotten from among the dead. And because Christ was indeed the first to die and raise again, then this also agrees with the passage that tells us that he has preeminence in all things.

Colossians 1:18 (KJV 1900)
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence (be first).

For those who disagree that Christ died and rose before the world began, the topic of debate is to show from the scriptures how Christ is the first begotten from the dead when he was actually the 7th, if you're looking to the time of the cross as the only time he died and rose again.

Your reference is from the false prophet Paul (Col 1:18). The "son of man" was the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, that would be the "Word made flesh", the "Word of God", which was from the beginning. Trying to shoehorn that into the "message" of the "enemy", the "devil", and his false prophet Paul, can put one into a bind.

[Eddie Ramos]