COULD ANYONE HAVE BEEN SAVED BY KEEPING ANY OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS?

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Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:10 pm ...
In other words, if anyone ever tried to become saved by keeping any part of the law of God, he was required to keep the whole law perfectly, because if he didn't, then he came under the curse of the same law he was trying to keep to become justified before God....
If one keeps the law, he doesn't need any salvation. Only those who break the law need salvation, forgiveness of sins.
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1213 wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:18 am
Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 10:10 pm ...
In other words, if anyone ever tried to become saved by keeping any part of the law of God, he was required to keep the whole law perfectly, because if he didn't, then he came under the curse of the same law he was trying to keep to become justified before God....
If one keeps the law, he doesn't need any salvation. Only those who break the law need salvation, forgiveness of sins.
Right, in other words, everyone was in desperate need of the salvation of Christ because there is no one who does not sin (break God's law).

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (KJV (WS))
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1 Kings 8:46 (KJV (WS))
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2 Chronicles 6:36 (KJV (WS))
If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Romans 3:23 (KJV (WS))
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

James 2:10 (KJV (WS))
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

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Eloi wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:48 am However, imperfect people cannot follow set instructions for perfect creations. Although obedience to the law (obedience by works) guaranteed perfect health, imperfect humans cannot obtain that salvation due to our inherent "sick" condition since Adam sinned. That was the reason why a rescue was necessary ... and in the meantime, until human race reach perfection during the millenium, we must exercise faith in the power of that atonement.

None imperfect person can reach salvation by own efforts. In our imperfect condition, we must do our best to follow God's instructions and become the best version of ourselves, always showing faith that through Jesus we can have hope in the future that God promises us, that we will be there for that rescue that was done for us.

Anyways, when humanity is perfect, it must remain in Jehovah's instructions to continue living.
I'm not sure I follow. You said we must exercise faith in the atonement of Christ. Do you mean this needed to be done by us in order to become saved? If so, your next statement said no one can reach salvation by their own efforts (which the Bible agrees with), but faith cannot be separated from works, else it's dead faith all by itself. Therefore faith alone could never have saved anyone.

James 2:14 (KJV (WS))
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 (KJV (WS))
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.



Furthermore, "believing", which is the act of having faith, is a commandment of God. And if we try to keep that commandment in order to become saved, it's the same as if we would try and keep any commandment in order to bring about salvation. Doing this binds us to keep the whole law (every commandment) perfectly, else we have become guilty of all. Therefore, no one can keep any commandment of the Bible (including the commandment to "believe") and expect it to have resulted in salvation. Yet millions upon millions of people have placed their trust in something they have done (a work) to bring about their salvation. And that was always impossible.

Galatians 2:16 (KJV (WS))
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

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[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #5]

Is resting on the Sabbath a work? Or not murdering someone a work?

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No one could keep the whole Law, that it why mankind needs a redeemer. Jesus is the only one who kept the whole letter of the Law. Mere men can't do it. So Jehovah was loving by pointing this out with the Law itself, and making the way out for people to bring themselves into alignment with God's will.

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