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John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.

Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.

Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
Anytime someone goes the extra mile to emphasize the difference between Jesus and JEHOVAH, I often wonder why they neglect to be faithful to the Bible as a whole and address the similarities between Jesus and JEHOVAH as well.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (KJV 1900)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is HIS name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


The above passage is about JESUS and his name is JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
This same Jesus is the Son of God, yet he is also the Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
And the government shall be upon his shoulder:
And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


But none of this makes any sense to us if we attempt to rationalize these passages with out own logic. That's because we are finite creatures and God is an infinite creator. Therefore, the only thing we can understand about an infinite being like God is that which he has chosen to reveal from his word, whether it makes sense to us or not. And when we faithfully put it all together, we have no option but to conclude that while God is one God, he reveals himself in a deity of 3. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, just like the scriptures declare.

1 John 5:7–8 (KJV 1900)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


So, in light of you OP question, listening to Jesus (The Word of God) means listening to everything he says in His Word and not excluding anything from your equations of who God is. Therefore I present to you your own closing question, "Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?"

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Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.

Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
Anytime someone goes the extra mile to emphasize the difference between Jesus and JEHOVAH, I often wonder why they neglect to be faithful to the Bible as a whole and address the similarities between Jesus and JEHOVAH as well.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (KJV 1900)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is HIS name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


The above passage is about JESUS and his name is JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
This same Jesus is the Son of God, yet he is also the Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
And the government shall be upon his shoulder:
And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


But none of this makes any sense to us if we attempt to rationalize these passages with out own logic. That's because we are finite creatures and God is an infinite creator. Therefore, the only thing we can understand about an infinite being like God is that which he has chosen to reveal from his word, whether it makes sense to us or not. And when we faithfully put it all together, we have no option but to conclude that while God is one God, he reveals himself in a deity of 3. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, just like the scriptures declare.

1 John 5:7–8 (KJV 1900)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


So, in light of you OP question, listening to Jesus (The Word of God) means listening to everything he says in His Word and not excluding anything from your equations of who God is. Therefore I present to you your own closing question, "Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?"

I do listen to Jesus--The Father is greater than i.

Isaiah says--his name will be called those things. That is different than him personally being called those things.
Jesus would have lied at John 17:3 if you were correct-think about that.
Trinity translations are filled with errors to mislead.

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Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Christ (Jaheshua), yes.
the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
Christ is HIMSELF the Way (and the Truth and the Life). We are to follow HIM (of course this can include following the example that He has given us).

The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Truth (as He said in the verse you quoted). He also speaks truth. But He is Himself the Truth WHO sets us free (John 8:32, compare with John 8:36).

the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Life (even the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden). We must eat from HIM in order to have life in US, in order to live forever. From John 6:

“Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.


That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops
It does not take years and years of bible study to come to Christ, to have life in Him, to obey Him and remain in His word, to belong to Him, to love and to obey Him - not if one is learning from and listening TO Christ (Jaheshua).


Otherwise, it might end up being something more like the following:

... 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40
Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-
I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but John 4:22-24 is speaking about worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth, so that one is worshiping the Father in/through Christ. Not in any specific place (such as Jerusalem, or on this or that mountain, or in this or that religion; but in and through Christ). Just as the verse at the start of your post states: No one comes to the Father except through me.


Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
Yes, worship the FATHER (the MOST Holy One of Israel, the God and Father of Christ).

At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24
One must come to Christ in order to accomplish John 4:22-24.

When it says to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness, it means to seek HIS righteousness over your own (or someone else's) righteousness (including over some religion's 'righteousness').

Let God be true, and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

It also means to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness over striving after the other things being mentioned: food, drink, clothing.

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
It does mean eteranl life to know the Father. Not just know OF God. Not just learn about God (simply by reading the scriptures). But to know the Father (and so to be in Him and Him in us). How does one know the Father?

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” John 14:7

"If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well." John 8:19


Know Christ, know His Father as well. Christ One who reveals His Father to us. Not because they are the same person or being; but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father, the Living Word and Living Image of God.

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?

I listen to my Lord, Jaheshua (His name was never "Jesus"), the Chosen One of JAH.



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kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:12 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.

Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
Anytime someone goes the extra mile to emphasize the difference between Jesus and JEHOVAH, I often wonder why they neglect to be faithful to the Bible as a whole and address the similarities between Jesus and JEHOVAH as well.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (KJV 1900)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is HIS name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


The above passage is about JESUS and his name is JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
This same Jesus is the Son of God, yet he is also the Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
And the government shall be upon his shoulder:
And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


But none of this makes any sense to us if we attempt to rationalize these passages with out own logic. That's because we are finite creatures and God is an infinite creator. Therefore, the only thing we can understand about an infinite being like God is that which he has chosen to reveal from his word, whether it makes sense to us or not. And when we faithfully put it all together, we have no option but to conclude that while God is one God, he reveals himself in a deity of 3. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, just like the scriptures declare.

1 John 5:7–8 (KJV 1900)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


So, in light of you OP question, listening to Jesus (The Word of God) means listening to everything he says in His Word and not excluding anything from your equations of who God is. Therefore I present to you your own closing question, "Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?"

I do listen to Jesus--The Father is greater than i.

Isaiah says--his name will be called those things. That is different than him personally being called those things.
Jesus would have lied at John 17:3 if you were correct-think about that.
Trinity translations are filled with errors to mislead.
So your way of harmonizing Isaiah 9:6 with John 17:3 is by claiming that the names he is called by are different from him personally being called those things? That makes no sense. The many names of the Christ, just like the many names of God, teach us more about who he is. Jesus (JEHOVAH OUR SAVIOR), Emmanuel (GOD with us), Jesus' name shall be called "JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS", Jesus (the son) is also "The everlasting Father". This was designed to make no sense logically, which seems to be how you're trying to understand these differences.

John 17:3 is teaching us that there is only one true God, but you are separating Jesus Christ from that equation, when all of his names teach us that very truth, that they are three deities yet are called by the same names. So, then why did Jesus say that the Father was greater than him. Because Jesus, who is the image of the invisible God, came in the form of a servant. Therefore, he always spoke in accordance with his role.

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900)
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


The way Jesus spoke also served to keep blind people in darkness of who he truly was. This is why he always spoke in parables.

Matthew 13:34 (KJV 1900)
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34 (KJV 1900)
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


So, taking Christ's words at face value are like taking a parable at face value. Every time you do it, you will arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood.


1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV 1900)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Everything but everything in the scriptures must be taken into account in order to arrive at a conclusion that agrees with the Bible as one cohesive truth.

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tam wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:54 pm Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Christ (Jaheshua), yes.
the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
Christ is HIMSELF the Way (and the Truth and the Life). We are to follow HIM (of course this can include following the example that He has given us).

The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Truth (as He said in the verse you quoted). He also speaks truth. But He is Himself the Truth WHO sets us free (John 8:32, compare with John 8:36).

the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Life (even the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden). We must eat from HIM in order to have life in US, in order to live forever. From John 6:

“Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.


That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops
It does not take years and years of bible study to come to Christ, to have life in Him, to obey Him and remain in His word, to belong to Him, to love and to obey Him - not if one is learning from and listening TO Christ (Jaheshua).


Otherwise, it might end up being something more like the following:

... 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40
Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-
I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but John 4:22-24 is speaking about worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth, so that one is worshiping the Father in/through Christ. Not in any specific place (such as Jerusalem, or on this or that mountain, or in this or that religion; but in and through Christ). Just as the verse at the start of your post states: No one comes to the Father except through me.


Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
Yes, worship the FATHER (the MOST Holy One of Israel, the God and Father of Christ).

At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24
One must come to Christ in order to accomplish John 4:22-24.

When it says to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness, it means to seek HIS righteousness over your own (or someone else's) righteousness (including over some religion's 'righteousness').

Let God be true, and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

It also means to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness over striving after the other things being mentioned: food, drink, clothing.

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
It does mean eteranl life to know the Father. Not just know OF God. Not just learn about God (simply by reading the scriptures). But to know the Father (and so to be in Him and Him in us). How does one know the Father?

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” John 14:7

"If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well." John 8:19


Know Christ, know His Father as well. Christ One who reveals His Father to us. Not because they are the same person or being; but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father, the Living Word and Living Image of God.

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?

I listen to my Lord, Jaheshua (His name was never "Jesus"), the Chosen One of JAH.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

The written word of God says he is Jesus. How can you say his name never was Jesus?

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Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:33 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:12 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:57 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.

Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24- Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
Anytime someone goes the extra mile to emphasize the difference between Jesus and JEHOVAH, I often wonder why they neglect to be faithful to the Bible as a whole and address the similarities between Jesus and JEHOVAH as well.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (KJV 1900)
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is HIS name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.


The above passage is about JESUS and his name is JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
This same Jesus is the Son of God, yet he is also the Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
And the government shall be upon his shoulder:
And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


But none of this makes any sense to us if we attempt to rationalize these passages with out own logic. That's because we are finite creatures and God is an infinite creator. Therefore, the only thing we can understand about an infinite being like God is that which he has chosen to reveal from his word, whether it makes sense to us or not. And when we faithfully put it all together, we have no option but to conclude that while God is one God, he reveals himself in a deity of 3. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, just like the scriptures declare.

1 John 5:7–8 (KJV 1900)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Christ), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


So, in light of you OP question, listening to Jesus (The Word of God) means listening to everything he says in His Word and not excluding anything from your equations of who God is. Therefore I present to you your own closing question, "Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?"

I do listen to Jesus--The Father is greater than i.

Isaiah says--his name will be called those things. That is different than him personally being called those things.
Jesus would have lied at John 17:3 if you were correct-think about that.
Trinity translations are filled with errors to mislead.
So your way of harmonizing Isaiah 9:6 with John 17:3 is by claiming that the names he is called by are different from him personally being called those things? That makes no sense. The many names of the Christ, just like the many names of God, teach us more about who he is. Jesus (JEHOVAH OUR SAVIOR), Emmanuel (GOD with us), Jesus' name shall be called "JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS", Jesus (the son) is also "The everlasting Father". This was designed to make no sense logically, which seems to be how you're trying to understand these differences.

John 17:3 is teaching us that there is only one true God, but you are separating Jesus Christ from that equation, when all of his names teach us that very truth, that they are three deities yet are called by the same names. So, then why did Jesus say that the Father was greater than him. Because Jesus, who is the image of the invisible God, came in the form of a servant. Therefore, he always spoke in accordance with his role.

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900)
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


The way Jesus spoke also served to keep blind people in darkness of who he truly was. This is why he always spoke in parables.

Matthew 13:34 (KJV 1900)
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:34 (KJV 1900)
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


So, taking Christ's words at face value are like taking a parable at face value. Every time you do it, you will arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood.


1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV 1900)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Everything but everything in the scriptures must be taken into account in order to arrive at a conclusion that agrees with the Bible as one cohesive truth.
It was Jehovah who made Jesus name above others. Philipians 2:9--Hebrews 1:4--without getting the name above others is equal to the angels= his partners( Psalm 45:7

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Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:30 pm
tam wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:54 pm Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Christ (Jaheshua), yes.
the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
Christ is HIMSELF the Way (and the Truth and the Life). We are to follow HIM (of course this can include following the example that He has given us).

The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Truth (as He said in the verse you quoted). He also speaks truth. But He is Himself the Truth WHO sets us free (John 8:32, compare with John 8:36).

the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Life (even the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden). We must eat from HIM in order to have life in US, in order to live forever. From John 6:

“Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.


That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops
It does not take years and years of bible study to come to Christ, to have life in Him, to obey Him and remain in His word, to belong to Him, to love and to obey Him - not if one is learning from and listening TO Christ (Jaheshua).


Otherwise, it might end up being something more like the following:

... 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40
Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-
I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but John 4:22-24 is speaking about worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth, so that one is worshiping the Father in/through Christ. Not in any specific place (such as Jerusalem, or on this or that mountain, or in this or that religion; but in and through Christ). Just as the verse at the start of your post states: No one comes to the Father except through me.


Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
Yes, worship the FATHER (the MOST Holy One of Israel, the God and Father of Christ).

At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24
One must come to Christ in order to accomplish John 4:22-24.

When it says to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness, it means to seek HIS righteousness over your own (or someone else's) righteousness (including over some religion's 'righteousness').

Let God be true, and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

It also means to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness over striving after the other things being mentioned: food, drink, clothing.

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
It does mean eteranl life to know the Father. Not just know OF God. Not just learn about God (simply by reading the scriptures). But to know the Father (and so to be in Him and Him in us). How does one know the Father?

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” John 14:7

"If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well." John 8:19


Know Christ, know His Father as well. Christ One who reveals His Father to us. Not because they are the same person or being; but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father, the Living Word and Living Image of God.

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?

I listen to my Lord, Jaheshua (His name was never "Jesus"), the Chosen One of JAH.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

The written word of God says he is Jesus. How can you say his name never was Jesus?
I can say it because it is true.

"Jesus" is not a name that was ever used back when Christ was born (as a man). His name could never have been "Jesus".

His name is Jah'eshua. Please note that His name has the name of His Father (JAH) in it , and His name means "JAH saves/savior of JAH". Most prophets had either the name of God (JAH) in their names or the title "El" (meaning God), or both. How much more so would the Son who came in the name of His Father, have His Father's name in His own name?

Elijah is an example of a prophet who has both in his name:

EL i JAH = my God is JAH

The "J" would have the "Y" sound though. Same as how we pronounce HalleluJAH. (Praise JAH)


Names transliterated from language to language are supposed to they keep the same sound.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/transliteration

"Jesus" does not keep the same sound of Christ's name. Joshua as the English transliteration would be closer (but not entirely accurate) to Jaheshua, and again with the "y" sound instead of the hard "j" sound.

"Jesus" also does not keep the MEANING of Jah'eshua (JAH saves).


Jesus is not the name of Christ (never was).

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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Re: Do you listen to Jesus?

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tam wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:55 pm Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:30 pm
tam wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:54 pm Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm John 14:6--I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Christ (Jaheshua), yes.
the way= Learning and applying all that Jesus taught and following his example.
Christ is HIMSELF the Way (and the Truth and the Life). We are to follow HIM (of course this can include following the example that He has given us).

The truth--his words are truth given to him from the Father( John 5:30) to teach.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Truth (as He said in the verse you quoted). He also speaks truth. But He is Himself the Truth WHO sets us free (John 8:32, compare with John 8:36).

the life= The bible teaches-by obeying is proof of ones love for God and his son. Not pick and choose, but EVERY utterance from God Jesus said man must live by. That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops.
Again, Christ is HIMSELF the Life (even the Tree of Life from the Garden of Eden). We must eat from HIM in order to have life in US, in order to live forever. From John 6:

“Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.


That takes years and years of bible study-OT-NT it never stops
It does not take years and years of bible study to come to Christ, to have life in Him, to obey Him and remain in His word, to belong to Him, to love and to obey Him - not if one is learning from and listening TO Christ (Jaheshua).


Otherwise, it might end up being something more like the following:

... 7who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7

39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40
Notice ones destination is not to stop at Jesus but he sends his true followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-
I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but John 4:22-24 is speaking about worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth, so that one is worshiping the Father in/through Christ. Not in any specific place (such as Jerusalem, or on this or that mountain, or in this or that religion; but in and through Christ). Just as the verse at the start of your post states: No one comes to the Father except through me.


Notice he warns of all other gods being false then teaches--the true worshippers will worship the Father( not Father, son and HS) in spirit and truth.
Yes, worship the FATHER (the MOST Holy One of Israel, the God and Father of Christ).

At Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) Father) righteousness and all these things will be added(sustenance, covering, spirituality)--When one does this only then they can accomplish John 4:22-24
One must come to Christ in order to accomplish John 4:22-24.

When it says to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness, it means to seek HIS righteousness over your own (or someone else's) righteousness (including over some religion's 'righteousness').

Let God be true, and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

It also means to seek first the Kingdom and His righteousness over striving after the other things being mentioned: food, drink, clothing.

Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles strive after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

At John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--erse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. verse 6=YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)
It does mean eteranl life to know the Father. Not just know OF God. Not just learn about God (simply by reading the scriptures). But to know the Father (and so to be in Him and Him in us). How does one know the Father?

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” John 14:7

"If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well." John 8:19


Know Christ, know His Father as well. Christ One who reveals His Father to us. Not because they are the same person or being; but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father, the Living Word and Living Image of God.

Do you listen to Jesus? Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?

I listen to my Lord, Jaheshua (His name was never "Jesus"), the Chosen One of JAH.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

The written word of God says he is Jesus. How can you say his name never was Jesus?
I can say it because it is true.

"Jesus" is not a name that was ever used back when Christ was born (as a man). His name could never have been "Jesus".

His name is Jah'eshua. Please note that His name has the name of His Father (JAH) in it , and His name means "JAH saves/savior of JAH". Most prophets had either the name of God (JAH) in their names or the title "El" (meaning God), or both. How much more so would the Son who came in the name of His Father, have His Father's name in His own name?

Elijah is an example of a prophet who has both in his name:

EL i JAH = my God is JAH

The "J" would have the "Y" sound though. Same as how we pronounce HalleluJAH. (Praise JAH)


Names transliterated from language to language are supposed to they keep the same sound.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/transliteration

"Jesus" does not keep the same sound of Christ's name. Joshua as the English transliteration would be closer (but not entirely accurate) to Jaheshua, and again with the "y" sound instead of the hard "j" sound.

"Jesus" also does not keep the MEANING of Jah'eshua (JAH saves).


Jesus is not the name of Christ (never was).

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

EL= Elohim) Jah=Jehovah-- Elijah= Elohim is Jehovah(YHWH)--- Jesus is the son of Gods name in the language we speak--Yeshua is Hebrew.

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:17 pm Do you listen to Jesus?
You mean what he is said to have said in the Bible? No.

Do you believe Jesus over misleading errors?
What is it one is to believe about Jesus? And what misleading errors are you talking about?

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