Second gathering of Israel

[Revelations won]

[JehovahsWitness]

Ezekiel and Jeriemiah were prophecying regarding the return of the Jewish exiles to Jerusalem in 6th century BCE after the Babylonian conquest.

All that has already happened; its history now.


JW

[Revelations won]

Dear JW,

I and the prophets are speaking of of the second gathering of Israel in the LATTER DAYS. Yes, a marvelous thing happened after World War II when the door was opened for our Jewish brethren to once again return to Jerusalem and they were able to set up a sovereign nation named Israel.

You need to remember that the house of Judah comprises ONLY ONE (1) TRIBE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

You need to understand that the HOUSE OF ISRAEL CONSISTS of ALL THE TWELVE ()12) TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Not just the tribe of Judah.

You should also be conversant and have full knowledge that the Lord GOD of Israel made a covenant with each of the twelve tribes that very specific areas were to be given to each tribe of the house of Israel as an everlasting inheritance. He cannot break that covenant for he is a God of truth and is bound by the covenant. Through disobedience we can break that covenant. But when the latter day children of Israel fully repent then the Lord will then the Lord is bound togrant those blessings.

So please do not take the full house of Israel out of context and apply it only to the tribe of Judah. In this topic I am speaking clearly of the full house of Israel.

Do you have answers to all of the questions posed in my OP?

Kind regards,
RW

[Avoice]

YET to happen?

It's happening already. It's been happening. By the plane loads.

In fact three planes landed in Israel one right after the other. One from Canada. One from the U.S. and the other from England.

Happens every day. Either in large groups on chartered plane or individual families. Everyday.

[Revelations won]

Dear Avoice and jW's,

I can certainly agree with you in part as regards the gathering of the tribe of Judah.

It is clearly obvious that the tribe of Judah represents only 1/12th of the entire House of Israel.

Are you entirely void of understanding regarding the other 11 tribes of Israel? Where are they and how and in what manner are they being gathered??? Who is doing this mighty work?

Kind regards,
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

Ezekiel and Jeriemiah were prophecying regarding the return of the Jewish exiles to Jerusalem in 6th century BCE after the Babylonian conquest.

All that has already happened; its history now.


JW

Dear JW,

I and the prophets are speaking of of the second gathering of Israel in the LATTER DAYS.

The State of Israel plays no part in latter day prophecies as the references to "Israel" in the Christian Greek scriptures refer to spiritual Israelites , that is to say : spirit anointed Christians.




JW



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[Revelations won]

Dear JW's

I heartily disagree with you, since the prophets were not referring to the tribe of Judy only, but are directly speaking the house of Israel, which includes all twelve tribes which compose the HOUSE of Israel.

It appears truth you want too ignore all of the house of Israel. I cannot help it if you choose to ignore all the house of Israel and choose to be ignorant or uninformed on this matter.

Kind regards,
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

... the prophets were not referring to the tribe of Judy only, but are directly speaking the house of Israel, which includes all twelve tribes which compose the HOUSE of Israel.

We believe that all references to "the house of Israel, which includes all twelve tribes" in the "New Testament" refers to spirit anointed Christians from a variety of nations.


JW

[collin88x]

There is no such thing as spiritual Israel.

Romans 9:1-6 (KJV) "I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen "according to the flesh:"

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

Amos 3:1-2 (KJV) "Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

Isaiah 14:1-2 (KJV) For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

All of those scriptures refer to the bloodline of the house of Israel. Not a spiritual thing. There's a reason the gates of new Jerusalem contain all 12 names of the Israelites 3 names on the north, 3 on the south, 3 on the west and 3 on the east.

None of which say Egypt, Rome, Babylonians, Assyrians, Canaanites, philistines, Persians, Grecians, ect. They only contain Israelite names.

It's not spiritual. Israel will inherit power over all nations in God's kingdom.

[collin88x]

... the prophets were not referring to the tribe of Judy only, but are directly speaking the house of Israel, which includes all twelve tribes which compose the HOUSE of Israel.

"We believe that all references to "the house of Israel, which includes all twelve tribes" in the "New Testament" refers to spirit anointed Christians from a variety of nations".


JW

There is no such thing as spiritual Israel.

Romans 9:1-6 (KJV) "I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen "according to the flesh:"


(He said the flesh which is bloodline, not spirit)

"Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

(He said all of that AND the ADOPTION belong to the Israelites according to the flesh. Adoption was referring to the grafting in. You may think that was a spiritual message but it never was. See Israelites we're gentile by the time of Christ. The 9 tribes of the northern kingdom. Hosea 1 States God cut that portion of the nation off from his old covenant and he declared them no more his people, but he remained with the kingdom of Judah which were the Jews as he would bring Christ through there to establish the tents of Judah FIRST (zechariah 12) So the rest of Israel couldn't magnify themselves against Judah. Judah is head tribe of all Israel. And Judah Benjamin and Levi by the represented the Jews.

Christ only taught Jews before his death and non else with exception to woman at the well and woman of Canaan both of which were Israelites of the northern kingdom who were disbanded from the old covenant resulting in them being gentiles at the time. The only thing spiritual is Israelites being gentiles during the time of Christ. But after Christ once they accepted Christ? We're adopted back into the family. And declared again God's people.

THERE IS NO SPIRITUAL ISRAEL PERTAINING TO ALL OTHER NATIONS BEING APART OF ISRAELS COVENANT WITH GOD. IT FOES NOT EXIST AND IS PURE FALSE DOCTRINE WORTHY OF JUDGMENT. Because one thing God can't stand is false doctrine confusing people.)

Romans 9.
"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

(That was referring to only Israelites in the flesh. If an Israelites rejects Christ? They were not considered Israel to God. That had nothing to do with any other nation outside of Israel. No nation will be magnifying themselves over Israel in any capacity.)

Amos 3:1-2 (KJV) "Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

(God ONLY KNOWS the bloodline of Israel the family he brought out of Egypt. And will only judge them for their sins against the covenant until the new kingdom is established and Israel can sin no more in that day)

Isaiah 14:1-2 (KJV) For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.)

For those saying Israel's prophecies happened already? I don't see the people in Israel today owning another nation as their captors. And oppressing them. Which is fair judgment from God upon the nations which enslaved and oppressed the Israelites over the millenniums. So that prophecy has not came to pass yet. So the real Israelites are not gathered yet. and are still oppressed as a people. And my point was this has nothing to do with spiritual anything. This is all blood related business.


All of those scriptures refer to the bloodline of the house of Israel. Not a spiritual thing. There's a reason the gates of new Jerusalem contain all 12 names of the Israelites 3 names on the north, 3 on the south, 3 on the west and 3 on the east.

None of which say Egypt, Rome, Babylonians, Assyrians, Canaanites, philistines, Persians, Grecians, ect. They only contain Israelite names.

It's not spiritual. Israel will inherit power over all nations in God's kingdom.

Sure all nations will have their place in God's kingdom. But they will be subjected to Christ and Israel's rule. And they will live or die or suffer certain judgments based on how they keep the laws of the land.

You can read about what the kingdom of God will be like towards the end of Zechariah 12.