What does YOUR god say about abortion

[Miles]

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What does your god have to say about abortion?

Please cite the source for your answer.


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[onewithhim]

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What does your god have to say about abortion?

Please cite the source for your answer.


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What else could he say about murder except that it is murder? There is a life inside a pregnant woman, and Jehovah values life as precious. A good example of this is the statement at Exodus 21:22,23:

"If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely...if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life."

If a pregnancy is ended even by accident, the ones responsible will die, according to the Law, so how much more will those be held accountable that end a pregnancy on purpose? Not to say that God wants the nations to kill abortionists, but we can see how he thinks about abortion and how he will deal with those who practice abortion in the end. We can see that he looks on a fetus as a life---it is a person and deserving of having a chance to grow up.

[Miles]

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What does your god have to say about abortion?

Please cite the source for your answer.


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What else could he say about murder except that it is murder?

Murder is a legal term whose character is determined by the law that defines it. If there is no actual law on the books that says abortion constitutes murder then abortion is not murder. It's that simple.

There is a life inside a pregnant woman, and Jehovah values life as precious. A good example of this is the statement at Exodus 21:22,23:

"If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely...if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life."

If a pregnancy is ended even by accident, the ones responsible will die, according to the Law, so how much more will those be held accountable that end a pregnancy on purpose?

Your "even by" is simple hyperbole that is best left out of your writing. The incident in Exodus 21:22-23 only addresses accidents. It says absolutely nothing about a woman who desires to end her pregnancy of her own volition.

Not to say that God wants the nations to kill abortionists, but we can see how he thinks about abortion and how he will deal with those who practice abortion in the end. We can see that he looks on a fetus as a life---it is a person and deserving of having a chance to grow up.

Not at all. We can ONLY see how he thinks about someone who ends a pregnancy by ACCIDENT.

Moreover, if you're following Old Testament "laws" then I can only conclude you follow god's command in Leviticus 20:13 as well, where it says

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

So, did you killed your quota of practicing male homosexuals last year?


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[Aetixintro]

[Replying to Miles in post #1]

What my God says about abortion? Yes, simply ask the computers (AI, operationalized alphabet, OR gate testing) if God approves of it. Is abortion the best way to the future then I think God and the computers approve of it.

[JehovahsWitness]

What does YOUR god say about abortion?

We can ONLY see how he thinks about someone who ends a pregnancy by ACCIDENT.

So are you saying that God views ending a pregancy by accident is reprehensible but doing so deliberately as excusible ? Isn't the principle of the former the same for the latter, namely, that God views the unborn child as a life which has value in His eyes ?

[Miles]

What does YOUR god say about abortion?

We can ONLY see how he thinks about someone who ends a pregnancy by ACCIDENT.

So are you saying that God views ending a pregancy by accident is reprehensible but doing so deliberately as excusible ?

We don't know what god thinks about deliberately having an abortion because he never says. The only type of abortion he may have addressed are those that happen by accident. So, perhaps he does view deliberate abortions as not only excusable but even acceptable.

Isn't the principle of the former the same for the latter, namely, that God views the unborn child as a life which has value in His eyes ?

We have no idea because he doesn't say. Now we can suppose principles until we're blue in the face, but the fact remains that until god announces his position our suppositions are no better than guesses.

But more to the point. Looking into Exodus 21:22-23 more carefully, from the 54 Bible translations I read only nine (9) mention abortion, miscarriage, or words to that effect, whereas twenty-one (21,) say the child was "born prematurely," "born early," or the mother "gave birth prematurely." So it's far from certain that Exodus 21:22-23 was talking about a child dying at all.

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[JehovahsWitness]

What does YOUR god say about abortion?

We can ONLY see how he thinks about someone who ends a pregnancy by ACCIDENT.

So are you saying that God views ending a pregancy by accident is reprehensible but doing so deliberately as excusible ?

We don't know what god thinks about deliberately having an abortion because he never says. The only type of abortion he may have addressed are those that happen by accident. So, perhaps he does view deliberate abortions as not only excusable but even acceptable.

Isn't the principle of the former the same for the latter, namely, that God views the unborn child as a life which has value in His eyes ?

We have no idea because he doesn't say. Now we can suppose principles until we're blue in the face, but the fact remains that until god announces his position our suppositions are no better than guesses.

But more to the point. Looking into Exodus 21:22-23 more carefully, from the 54 Bible translations I read only nine (9) mention abortion, miscarriage, or words to that effect, whereas twenty-one (21,) say the child was "born prematurely," "born early," or the mother "gave birth prematurely." So it's far from certain that Exodus 21:22-23 was talking about a child dying at all.

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If the child lived, why would He demand "life for life"? Oh wait... I think I know what your response is ... "We have no idea because he doesn't say". Never mind, thanks for your thoughts.


Have a nice day,


JW

[Miles]

What does YOUR god say about abortion?

We can ONLY see how he thinks about someone who ends a pregnancy by ACCIDENT.

So are you saying that God views ending a pregancy by accident is reprehensible but doing so deliberately as excusible ?

We don't know what god thinks about deliberately having an abortion because he never says. The only type of abortion he may have addressed are those that happen by accident. So, perhaps he does view deliberate abortions as not only excusable but even acceptable.

Isn't the principle of the former the same for the latter, namely, that God views the unborn child as a life which has value in His eyes ?

We have no idea because he doesn't say. Now we can suppose principles until we're blue in the face, but the fact remains that until god announces his position our suppositions are no better than guesses.

But more to the point. Looking into Exodus 21:22-23 more carefully, from the 54 Bible translations I read only nine (9) mention abortion, miscarriage, or words to that effect, whereas twenty-one (21,) say the child was "born prematurely," "born early," or the mother "gave birth prematurely." So it's far from certain that Exodus 21:22-23 was talking about a child dying at all.

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If the child lived, why would He demand "life for life"? Oh wait... I think I know what your response is ... "We have no idea because he doesn't say". Never mind, thanks for your thoughts.

Who says it's necessarily the child that dies?

Exodus 21:23

TLB
But if any harm comes to the woman and she dies, he shall be executed.

GNT
But if the woman herself is injured, the punishment shall be life for life,

CEV
But if she is seriously injured, the payment will be life for life,

ERV
But if the woman was hurt badly, then the man who hurt her must be punished. The punishment must fit the crime. You must trade one life for another life.

KJ21
And if any misfortune follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

AMP
But if there is any further injury, then you shall require [as a penalty] life for life,

CSB
If there is an injury, then you must give life for life,

Nary a thing suggesting an abortion. Accidental or otherwise. After all, quite a few bibles do say the child was born.


Even your own Bible takes the child out of the equation.

Exodus 21:22-23 (NWT)
22 “If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely+ but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges.+ 23 But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life,

God, I love the Bible. It's so darn much fun. Right?

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[JehovahsWitness]

Exodus 21:22-23 (NWT)

22 “If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely+ but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges.+ 23 But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life

Even your own Bible takes the child out of the equation.

It does nothing of the kind as the Hebrew indicates the reference to potential fatality refers to both mother and child.

Hebrew-English interlinear by Dr. G. R. Berry notes that the Hebrew does not limit the application of “injury” (fatal accident) to just the mother. Further, The commentary by C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch points out that a fine was sufficient only when {quote} “no injury [fatal accident] was done either to the woman or the child that was born.” and points out that if the Law meant just the mother the Hebrew text would have added lah, meaning “to her.” they conclude: “The omission of lah, also, apparently renders it impracticable to refer the words to [an] injury done to the woman alone.”

By far the vast majority of the bibles recognise the above by NOT adding "to her" /to the woman in verse 22. see various translations : https://biblehub.com/exodus/21-22.htm


Thus a fatality to either mother or child (or both) would demand the death penalty for those responsible. In short the life of an unborn child is presented in scripture as being of equal value to the life of an adult .



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[onewithhim]

[Replying to Miles in post #8]

The whole sense of the verses is what happens to the unborn baby. It is clear that if the baby dies it must be life for life. Jehovah is concerned about the unborn child's life, and would be still if the baby was killed by abortion.