We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it?s easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties.
No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it?s foundation is false and invented by masons.
G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe.
We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.
Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong.
The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950?s and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren?t the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth.
The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d?s law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.
Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it?s policy.
There is A way government can follow G-d?s politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d?s point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d.
When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error.
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Post #2Prove it. Simply claiming it exists just doesn't cut it. Lay out your evidence.
That's our purpose in life? Deciding to do good or bad? Really???God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision.
So, I assume, when he tells Christians to kill all practicing male homosexuals (part of the law. Leviticus 20:13 ) that isn't wrong, but good. Let me ask; did you kill your quota of practicing gays for 2021?But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days.
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Post #3No where in scripture is it stated man has a freewill. In fact scripture indicates that man by nature is dead in sin and a servant of sin. Our will is a slave to sin, not free.Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? Does applied to us ?
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Post #6[Replying to Miles in post #5]
People the choosing right or wrong and have the freedom to choose it was something G-d gave and he gave it to Adam that is why he disobeyed if he could not he would of not of fallen. The reason freewill has and even I don't liike saying the devil had freewill. So know that freedom of deciding even do the word freewill does not exist in hebrew and have found the same question the truth is that freedom to choose and disobey G-d has existed before the bible and angels and man have it.
People the choosing right or wrong and have the freedom to choose it was something G-d gave and he gave it to Adam that is why he disobeyed if he could not he would of not of fallen. The reason freewill has and even I don't liike saying the devil had freewill. So know that freedom of deciding even do the word freewill does not exist in hebrew and have found the same question the truth is that freedom to choose and disobey G-d has existed before the bible and angels and man have it.
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Post #7Simply saying it doesn't exists doesn't cut it either.
I'm writing this post of my own freewill. Now, prove that I'm not.
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Post #8Sorry, but I never said it doesn't exist, which leaves the burden of proof on michaelgabriel88. And even if I had, I asked first, meaning michaelgabriel88 would have to answer my challenge before I answered his . . .If he challenged me.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:10 pmSimply saying it doesn't exists doesn't cut it either.
Why would I when I've never claimed you aren't?I'm writing this post of my own freewill. Now, prove that I'm not.
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Post #9By nature before liberated by the new birth, man is a servant to sin, not a freewiller. Jn 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
That word servant means slave, we are sinners by nature and so slave to sin, that includes the heart mind soul of man and will.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
That word servant means slave, we are sinners by nature and so slave to sin, that includes the heart mind soul of man and will.
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Post #10If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.
Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?
Yes, absolutely.
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Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?
Yes, absolutely.
JW
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