Where do the Bible stories come from?

[polonius]

Many of the stories found in the Bible were copied from much older legends.

Do you recall Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river? Who did exactly the same thing a long time earlier?

And the flood story appears on two different stone tablets found at different locations. But it was written several thousand years earlier as the tablets prove.

It is recorded that Jesus was executed (as an insurrectionists) in a Roman writing. But the stories we have were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

[Checkpoint]

Many of the stories found in the Bible were copied from much older legends.

Do you recall Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river? Who did exactly the same thing a long time earlier?

And the flood story appears on two different stone tablets found at different locations. But it was written several thousand years earlier as the tablets prove.

It is recorded that Jesus was executed (as an insurrectionists) in a Roman writing. But the stories we have were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Some legends are not fiction but are a reflection of things that really did happen.

Jesus was not an insurrectionist.

[brianbbs67]

Are you speaking of Gilgamesh?

[polonius]

Many of the stories found in the Bible were copied from much older legends.

Do you recall Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river? Who did exactly the same thing a long time earlier?

And the flood story appears on two different stone tablets found at different locations. But it was written several thousand years earlier as the tablets prove.

It is recorded that Jesus was executed (as an insurrectionists) in a Roman writing. But the stories we have were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Some legends are not fiction but are a reflection of things that really did happen.

Jesus was not an insurrectionist.

RESPONSE:

According the the Old Testament, the "Messish" was to sit on the throne of David and drive the foreigners out. Obviously, not too popular with the Romans. They did crucify insurrectionist, witness Spartus' followers about 70 years earlier.

Romans crucified thousands of the followers of Spartacus for the same thing.

The claim about the "good thief" who was crucified with Jesus is used in older bibles.

A more correct translation is "insurrectionist."

"According to the gospels, the main charge against Jesus was that he claimed to be the king of the Jews. The Roman soldiers were mocking this idea when they dressed him in a purple robe and pressed a crown of thorns onto his head. This was also the charge written on the sign at the top of the cross.
But the charge was false. The enemies of Jesus had concocted it by twisting the meaning of the old Jewish prophesies about the coming of the Messiah.
According to those prophesies, the Messiah was a great future leader who would appear during a period of extreme desperation and crisis known as the End Times (or Last Days). Assisted by God, he would overthrow all evil oppressors and set up a perfect kingdom on earth, where all the righteous people could live forever in peace and joy."

[Checkpoint]

Many of the stories found in the Bible were copied from much older legends.

Do you recall Moses being placed in a basket and sent down the river? Who did exactly the same thing a long time earlier?

And the flood story appears on two different stone tablets found at different locations. But it was written several thousand years earlier as the tablets prove.

It is recorded that Jesus was executed (as an insurrectionists) in a Roman writing. But the stories we have were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses.

Some legends are not fiction but are a reflection of things that really did happen.

Jesus was not an insurrectionist.

RESPONSE:

According the the Old Testament, the "Messish" was to sit on the throne of David and drive the foreigners out. Obviously, not too popular with the Romans. They did crucify insurrectionist, witness Spartus' followers about 70 years earlier.

Romans crucified thousands of the followers of Spartacus for the same thing.

The claim about the "good thief" who was crucified with Jesus is used in older bibles.

A more correct translation is "insurrectionist."

"According to the gospels, the main charge against Jesus was that he claimed to be the king of the Jews. The Roman soldiers were mocking this idea when they dressed him in a purple robe and pressed a crown of thorns onto his head. This was also the charge written on the sign at the top of the cross.
But the charge was false. The enemies of Jesus had concocted it by twisting the meaning of the old Jewish prophesies about the coming of the Messiah.
According to those prophesies, the Messiah was a great future leader who would appear during a period of extreme desperation and crisis known as the End Times (or Last Days). Assisted by God, he would overthrow all evil oppressors and set up a perfect kingdom on earth, where all the righteous people could live forever in peace and joy."

Correct translation of what?

Jesus was crucified under Roman law, but in his case, not as an insurrectionist.

The Gospels make this quite clear. Pilate found no charge of this under Roman law could be made, finding no evidence.

But instead, as a favor to the Jews, ordered his death anyway, using Jewish charges based on their law, especially the "king of the Jews" one, which is why he posted it up.

[Difflugia]

The Gospels make this quite clear. Pilate found no charge of this under Roman law could be made, finding no evidence.

Since Judea was a client state of the Roman Empire, claiming to be "king" of it would have been sedition against the Roman Empire. While the Gospels show an increasing desire to blame the Jewish leaders while exonerating Pilate and the Romans, Pilate had no need to look toward any Jewish law for an excuse. The only real question here is whether Jesus' response to Pilate's question ("Are you king of the Jews?") was meant to be confirmatory ("It is as you have said.") or evasion ("You said it, not I."). If we take it to be the latter (as I think Luke, at least, intends it), then the favor to the Jewish "chief priests and multitudes" was to crucify Jesus for a nominally Roman offense, but without solid evidence.

But instead, as a favor to the Jews, ordered his death anyway, using Jewish charges based on their law, especially the "king of the Jews" one, which is why he posted it up.

Claiing to be "son of God" was the Jewish offense of blasphemy (Luke 22:70-71). Claiming to be "king of the Jews" was the Roman offense of sedition (Luke 23:3).

[polonius]

Difflugia posted:

Claiming to be "son of God" was the Jewish offense of blasphemy (Luke 22:70-71). Claiming to be "king of the Jews" was the Roman offense of sedition (Luke 23:3).

Question: And what charge did Pilate ordered nailed to Jesus' cross?

[polonius]

Did anyone who was an eye-witness write any account of Jesus' Resurrection and Assension?

Or does the New Testament just contain accounts written 40-65 years after the supposed events by non-witnesses?

Evidence please

[Checkpoint]

Difflugia posted:

Claiming to be "son of God" was the Jewish offense of blasphemy (Luke 22:70-71). Claiming to be "king of the Jews" was the Roman offense of sedition (Luke 23:3).

Question: And what charge did Pilate ordered nailed to Jesus' cross?

Everyone knows what the Gospels say.

So, why ask that question?

[polonius]

Difflugia posted:

Claiming to be "son of God" was the Jewish offense of blasphemy (Luke 22:70-71). Claiming to be "king of the Jews" was the Roman offense of sedition (Luke 23:3).

Question: And what charge did Pilate ordered nailed to Jesus' cross?

Everyone knows what the Gospels say.

So, why ask that question?

RESPONSE: Really? Has "everyone" read the Bible?