Keeping the commandments

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:56 pm

This is nice in theory, yes, but it depends what you mean by "commands"...

Is it the 10 commandments? If so, im totally on that page. Dont break the law.

Is it "Love God and Love Neighbor"? In which case, ya that is hard sometimes, and i think people who claim otherwise might be deceiving themselves and others...

Or is it living faithful? Like Paul summed up righteousness? That is simply not possible all the time, but maybe it is if you get philosophical on it.

Is it the Fruits of the Spirit, vs the Lust of the Flesh in Galatians 5? Good in theory, maybe not totally doable in all ones life. Or "dont lust, dont hate"~Jesus.. Nice in theory.. Not doable in all of life.

Or how about "dont judge people"~Jesus... That would make the world a hole lot better place, but people simply dont follow this stuff...

I want to make it clear, i dont want to throw out anything as if we dont need to follow it, im just thinking realistically about this, is it really easy to keep the commands?

10 commandments, yes... the rest of the stuff i spoke on... I think you might be deceiving people to suggest it is easy to do it...

Why not just admit fault instead, and say "no"?

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us."

Last night I pondered this... People always judging me for not being perfect... And i told that voice, "you need to believe in Jesus, and not the law", and he went to the cross and questioned it. Then he started accusing a girl there for doing bad as she had her head down in the presence of the cross... yes it was a vision... And i thought? Arent we suppose to be free in Christ? Not slaves to the law?

Is it easy to follow the law? Its impossible... The Bible says so... That is the exact reason God sent His Son, because we cant save ourselves...

Post by **otseng** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:27 pm

Tart wrote: 10 commandments, yes... the rest of the stuff i spoke on... I think you might be deceiving people to suggest it is easy to do it...

I'm not suggesting it's easy to do and observe the commandments. I'm suggesting it's possible to treasure and protect the commandments. My main point is we place too much emphasis on observing the law, but hardly ever talk about protecting and tending after the commandments.

The law is not meant to just be a burden, but it can be a delight and something we treasure.

[Psa 1:2 KJV] 2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

[Psa 19:7-8 KJV] 7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the LORD [are] right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD [is] pure, enlightening the eyes.

[Psa 119:97 KJV] 97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it [is] my meditation all the day.

[Psa 119:127 KJV] 127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

At first, it seems ridiculous that we can love the law. But, the problem is not the law, but our own hearts. The law was not given to limit us and prevent us from having joy. Instead, the law is to show us the way to life. The speed limit is not there to prevent us from having the joy of racing down the highway, but to protect people from accidents. Curfew is not to deprive teenagers from having fun, but to protect them from getting into trouble.

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:31 pm

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:02 pm

shoot.. if the law is how we come to life, we are all dead men... And who here is going to deny it? Throw a stone in the air...

Who doesnt hate sometimes? Who doesnt lust sometimes? Who doesnt judge sometimes? Who isnt jealous sometimes? Who isnt prideful sometimes? Who isnt lazy sometimes? Who isnt faithful sometimes?

we are dead men without Christ...

Post by **otseng** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:01 pm

Tart wrote: Like with most comments, i agree and disagree... I agree that perhaps, the law is good (im actually still questioning this in my own heart, if i can truly believe that).

Yes, I agree that the law in itself will not bring life. Ultimately, the law leads us to life by pointing to Jesus. But, to go back to the heart issue, I think we've been conditioned too long by the lies of the devil, skeptics, and even preachers, that the law is bad. I don't think it should be such a burden that many people place on it.

Think about David, who was the only person described as a man after God's own heart.

[1Sa 13:14 KJV] 14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him [to be] captain over his people, because thou hast not kept [that] which the LORD commanded thee.

He committed adultery and plotted to have the husband killed. If anyone had some pretty significant moral failings, it was David. Yet, he was also the one who penned many of the Psalms. He didn't keep the law by obeying all of the law. However, he did keep the law in that he treasured it.

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:18 pm

otseng wrote:
Tart wrote: Like with most comments, i agree and disagree... I agree that perhaps, the law is good (im actually still questioning this in my own heart, if i can truly believe that).
Yes, I agree that the law in itself will not bring life. Ultimately, the law leads us to life by pointing to Jesus. But, to go back to the heart issue, I think we've been conditioned too long by the lies of the devil, skeptics, and even preachers, that the law is bad. I don't think it should be such a burden that many people place on it.

Think about David, who was the only person described as a man after God's own heart.

[1Sa 13:14 KJV] 14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him [to be] captain over his people, because thou hast not kept [that] which the LORD commanded thee.

He committed adultery and plotted to have the husband killed. If anyone had some pretty significant moral failings, it was David. Yet, he was also the one who penned many of the Psalms. He didn't keep the law by obeying all of the law. However, he did keep the law in that he treasured it.

I suppose... but you dont keep the law... right? Like who keeps the law? You broke the law... I broke the law...

Paul also wrote

"All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (Galatians 3:10)

And what saved us anyways? Jesus? Or the Law? What is the Gospel we first heard?

I was saved by Jesus... That is why i even believe in the law. Because Christ was the fulfillment of the law, whom my salvation rest within...

Then i went to church, and people started preaching the law... Which isnt in itself, necessarily bad (actually im still wrestling with this. Im not sure if its bad or not)... And that is fine, but then salvation slowly turns into abiding the law... And away from Jesus Christ...

And this is what i think Paul was talking about in Galatians 1

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Preaching salvation from the law... Or life comes from obeying law. It isnt the Gospel i first heard, and its no gospel at all.. Ya i see preachers say it, and it seems like my brothers and sisters in the body start hiding sin. Being ashamed of themselves. Start accusing others of sin, and themselves too. Start living unfaithfully because it is impossible to fulfill the law, like some preachers want us to believe... Whom they fall themselves.. Even though some of them claim otherwise.... And Jesus is put on the back-burner...

Dude, you dont observe the law perfectly.. period... that is nonsense... Who would ever make such a claim?

"it is how you interpret the word"... its like lets get semantical on this...

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:25 pm

maybe we should "treasure and preserve" Jesus Christ...

"10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ." (Galatians 1, continued)

tam · Post by **tam** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:14 pm

Post by **otseng** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:31 pm

I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying. I'm not saying the law saves. I'm not saying the law supercedes Christ. The law leads us to Christ. What I'm saying is that the word "keep" is much more than simply obeying and observing; it is also treasuring and protecting. And it is in this aspect that it is not impossible to keep the law.

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