Colossians 2:9

[Wootah]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Can anyone explain how Jesus isn't God in this verse please?

[Tcg]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Can anyone explain how Jesus isn't God in this verse please?

In standard debate protocol, it is the responsibility of the one making a claim to support it. Are you claiming that Jesus is God? If so, how do these verses (you listed two) support your view?


Tcg

[Wootah]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Can anyone explain how Jesus isn't God in this verse please?

In standard debate protocol, it is the responsibility of the one making a claim to support it. Are you claiming that Jesus is God? If so, how do these verses (you listed two) support your view?


Tcg

Not at all. You can post any debate question you like at DC&R.

But of course, I would defend the obvious when asked.

If the whole fullness means everything then we are saying that everything it means to be God was in Jesus. If Jesus is everything it means to be God then we can say Jesus is God.

What do you think that sentence meant? Perhaps there is context from the passage or book that changes that meaning?

[marco]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Can anyone explain how Jesus isn't God in this verse please?

First of all, just because Paul declares something does not make it true. He gives his considered impression on things related to Jesus.

He is using a standard metaphor of goodness: Jesus had God in him. Some people say that good Christians have Jesus in them: it does not mean they ARE Jesus. Jesus passes on, as God's messenger, the goodness he has acquired from God in all its fullness. I cannot see how this makes him God.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

If I say that I have a box and that inside the box is an object that has the whole fullness of an apple. What is inside the box?

[marco]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

If I say that I have a box and that inside the box is an object that has the whole fullness of an apple. What is inside the box?

I have no idea. "The whole fullness" (whatever that means) can obviously be translated into whatever object has been made to receive it. I don't think this parallels the statement you asked us to discuss. For a start, God is unique, not one of many fruit. If someone is made in the likeness of God, he is not God. If Jesus let God shine through him, he was not God. We must be careful not to allow figurative language to colour our comprehension.

[myth-one.com]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

Can anyone explain how Jesus isn't God in this verse please?

Sure.

You're equating "dwelling in" with "is."

[PinSeeker]

"You're equating 'dwelling in' with 'is.'"

So, Jesus was just God-possessed? Kind of like Whoopi Goldberg in the movie Ghost? LOL!!!!!

You guys are just too much...

Hey, just so you guys know, the fullness of deity dwelt (and dwells) in Jesus bodily for all eternity -- past, present, and future.

Grace and peace to all.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 7 by myth-one.com]

That isn't a rebuttal yet. it seems like a fair thing on my part to equate dwelling in with iis. Why isn't it?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

If I say that I have a box and that inside the box is an object that has the whole fullness of an apple. What is inside the box?

I have no idea. "The whole fullness" (whatever that means) can obviously be translated into whatever object has been made to receive it. I don't think this parallels the statement you asked us to discuss. For a start, God is unique, not one of many fruit. If someone is made in the likeness of God, he is not God. If Jesus let God shine through him, he was not God. We must be careful not to allow figurative language to colour our comprehension.

I feel you are being figurative not me. An object that apple 100% whole fullness an apple means it is an apple. Jesus is 100% whole fullness of God means he is God.

Why does the Bible constantly make these wierd claims about Jesus (in context of the forum)?