From the (British) Telegraph
UK NEWS
One third of clergy do not believe in the Resurrection
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
A third of Church of England clergy doubt or disbelieve in the physical Resurrection and only half are convinced of the truth of the Virgin birth, according to a new survey.
The poll of nearly 2,000 of the Church's 10,000 clergy also found that only half believe that faith in Christ is the only route to salvation.
While it has long been known that numerous clerics are dubious about the historic creeds of the Church, the survey is the first to disclose how widespread is the skepticism.
Do you think these Episcopalian clergy are correct?
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Re: Do you think these Episcopalian clergy are correct?
Post #3Half are skeptics and half are believers.polonius wrote: From the (British) Telegraph
UK NEWS
One third of clergy do not believe in the Resurrection
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
A third of Church of England clergy doubt or disbelieve in the physical Resurrection and only half are convinced of the truth of the Virgin birth, according to a new survey.
The poll of nearly 2,000 of the Church's 10,000 clergy also found that only half believe that faith in Christ is the only route to salvation.
While it has long been known that numerous clerics are dubious about the historic creeds of the Church, the survey is the first to disclose how widespread is the skepticism.
So my anser is both no of their skeptics and yes of those who believe.
Re: Do you think these Episcopalian clergy are correct?
Post #4The creeds of the church were originally the confessions of the church fathers. Their confession of faith was their witness of Christ manifesting in their lives. Today, people can't confess to Christ manifesting in their lives. They can only regurgitate what they've been taught.polonius wrote: From the (British) Telegraph
UK NEWS
One third of clergy do not believe in the Resurrection
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
A third of Church of England clergy doubt or disbelieve in the physical Resurrection and only half are convinced of the truth of the Virgin birth, according to a new survey.
The poll of nearly 2,000 of the Church's 10,000 clergy also found that only half believe that faith in Christ is the only route to salvation.
While it has long been known that numerous clerics are dubious about the historic creeds of the Church, the survey is the first to disclose how widespread is the skepticism.
Doubting a physical resurrection doesn't make one skeptical, nor does it prevent one from counting themselves as a Christian. Christ's teachings specifically point out that one needs to deny themselves. Self denial or self sacrifice is the cornerstone of Christianity, and yet people would rather define their faith by believing that Jesus was bodily resurrected rather than deny their own lives. Jesus was clear in pointing out that those who would save their own lives would lose them, while those who would lose their lives (i.e. deny themselves) for his sake would live.
Who needs that when it's just so much easier to pretend that a profession of faith aka "lip service" is all one needs to get into heaven?
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polonius wrote:Yeah, maybe they all got together and had a seance and questioned Paul in person, and he confessed...PinSeeker wrote:
RESPONSE: Either that or Christians aren't nearly as uninformed as they used to be.No.
Seems to me it would make one think that maybe there aren't nearly as many Christians as claim to be...
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Perhaps the skeptical clergy are right, and they, like Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong have discovered the real Jesus, the historical Jesus who sought only to glorify the Father, and not himself.
They have probably learned how to take the Bible seriously, and not literally. If they are skeptical about certain doctrines, that does not make them in and of itself less committed Christians.
They have probably learned how to take the Bible seriously, and not literally. If they are skeptical about certain doctrines, that does not make them in and of itself less committed Christians.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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PinSeeker wrote:Aha, a chance to go into speculation mode, it seems.polonius wrote:Yeah, maybe they all got together and had a seance and questioned Paul in person, and he confessed...PinSeeker wrote:
RESPONSE: Either that or Christians aren't nearly as uninformed as they used to be.No.
Seems to me it would make one think that maybe there aren't nearly as many Christians as claim to be...
Maybe some have found a good spectator sport and are commenting from the grandstand.
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Checkpoint wrote:A grandstand in the peanut gallery.PinSeeker wrote:Aha, a chance to go into speculation mode, it seems.polonius wrote:Yeah, maybe they all got together and had a seance and questioned Paul in person, and he confessed...PinSeeker wrote:
RESPONSE: Either that or Christians aren't nearly as uninformed as they used to be.No.
Seems to me it would make one think that maybe there aren't nearly as many Christians as claim to be...
Maybe some have found a good spectator sport and are commenting from the grandstand.
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shnarkle wrote:You said it!Checkpoint wrote:A grandstand in the peanut gallery.PinSeeker wrote:Aha, a chance to go into speculation mode, it seems.polonius wrote:Yeah, maybe they all got together and had a seance and questioned Paul in person, and he confessed...PinSeeker wrote:
RESPONSE: Either that or Christians aren't nearly as uninformed as they used to be.No.
Seems to me it would make one think that maybe there aren't nearly as many Christians as claim to be...
Maybe some have found a good spectator sport and are commenting from the grandstand.
The skeptic expects a rat, and finds it.
A believer expects the best, and finds it.
"Seek, and you shall find, knock and..."
