Does struggli into the same sin mean that you are not saved?

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Does repeatedly struggling with the same sin over and over, after having repented many a time and having prayed to God for forgiveness, mean that you are not saved and that you will end up in hell? Let me know your opinions on this matter.

[ttruscott]

Does repeatedly struggling with the same sin over and over, after having repented many a time and having prayed to God for forgiveness, mean that you are not saved and that you will end up in hell? Let me know your opinions on this matter.

The explanation of how GOD sanctifies us is not limited to a broad array of sins but may indeed contain a single persistent sin. Keep up the struggle, glorify GOD and may HE bless you:

Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons:

“My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord,

and do not lose heart when He rebukes you.

6 For the Lord disciplines the one He loves,

and He chastises every son He receives.�

7 Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8 If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. 9 Furthermore, we have all had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Should we not much more submit to the Father of our spirits and live?

10 Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. 11 No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a peaceful harvest of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

[RightReason]

[Replying to Lucian Hodoboc]

It would be contrary to Scripture and Church teaching to believe that.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Lucian Hodoboc]

No it means you are human. And that you love God. People that don't love God don't struggle with sin, they embrace it. The saying is "Fall, down seven, get up eight" as long as you keep on trying you will be blessed.

The Bible’s Viewpoint: Will God Overlook Our Weaknesses?

‘I am not wicked! I have tried very hard to give up my bad ways, but I am just too weak!’

DO THESE sentiments echo the way you or someone you know feels? Many conclude that it is virtually impossible for ingrained moral weaknesses to be conquered. Some people are dependent on alcohol, tobacco, or drugs. Greed dominates the lives of many others. And there are those who have given in to sexual misconduct, alleging that they are hopelessly addicted to sex.

Read the full article HERE
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102002808#h=1


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[Overcomer]

Some people are freed from a sin habit immediately upon conversion. Others have to struggle. You sound like the latter, Lucian. But if you have accepted Christ and confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that he is Lord, risen from the dead, having atoned for your sins, then you are saved (Rom. 20:9). The fact that Christians will still commit sins upon conversion is evident from this verse, written by John to followers of Christ:

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).

There is only one unforgivable sin and that is the rejection of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Here's the thing: If you are trying to be good in your own power, you may well keep on failing to overcome sin. You need to be filled with the Holy Spirit who will empower you to resist temptation and turn from sin. There are debates about when such an infilling occurs -- at the time one accepts Christ or later. I think it could be either one depending on the person and, often, whether one is told about the Holy Spirit, his purpose, and how one can be filled with him. It's really very simple. All you have to do is ask the Lord to fill you with his Holy Spirit. If you sincerely want it, it will happen.

Here is information about the Holy Spirit that might help:


https://www.gotquestions.org/what-does- ... it-do.html

It is important to surround yourself with born-again, Spirit-filled believers who can encourage you and pray for you and help you in your walk with the Lord. Just as an isolated coal can burn out quickly, so can a Christian alone in the world. So I hope you have fellowship with strong believers and avoid the people or the situations which tend to tempt you to indulge in that sin habit.

God bless you, Lucian. You can be an overcomer in Christ. Don't give up!

[myth-one.com]

Does repeatedly struggling with the same sin over and over, after having repented many a time and having prayed to God for forgiveness, mean that you are not saved and that you will end up in hell? Let me know your opinions on this matter.

There is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of which I am chief. (I Timothy 1:15)
Other underdogs of God possessed some human frailty which made them unlikely candidates for the mission ahead. Paul apparently had none. He was originally a strong, powerful, persuasive, decisive, energetic persecutor of Christians. Incredibly, when God chose him to spread the gospel to the Gentiles, He gave Paul a "thorn in the flesh":

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. (II Corinthians 12:7)
This thorn in the flesh could indicate pain caused by some physical problem. However, it may also indicate pain caused by some psychological problem. In Galatians, Paul describes his infirmity as a temptation:

And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. (Galatians 4:14)
Consider the following verse written by Paul:

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that I do. (Romans 7:15)
Compare that verse with the definition of "compulsion" as used in psychology:

Compulsion: a strong usually irresistible impulse to perform an act that is contrary to the will of the subject.
Did Paul have a compulsion? Someone suffering from a compulsive behavior will recognize themselves in Romans 7:15 as listed above. That is, what they desire to do (stop the compulsive behavior) they do not. What they do not desire to do (the compulsive behavior) they do. Most, if not all, compulsives desire to stop. Paul may have been an alcoholic, a womanizer, or something more serious, if indeed he suffered from some compulsion. Whether compulsive behavior or a physical condition, Paul prayed for God to remove it:

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. (II Corinthians 12:8)
Describing his affliction as a "thing" or "it" further indicates Paul may have had a psychological problem. Physical ailments are generally accompanied by obvious symptoms such as bleeding, physical pain, rashes, fever, vomiting, disfigurement, etc. These are obvious conditions which we can see. Mental problems are difficult to comprehend since we cannot "see" them. Therefore, we describe these problems as abnormalities, things, weird, crazy, etc.
If Paul did indeed have a compulsion, then he made a great discovery which is today part of all twelve step rehabilitation programs. That discovery was that he was not sufficiently powerful to stop the behavior on his own. He needed help from a higher authority! Therefore, he prayed to God three times asking that it be removed from him:

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice... (II Corinthians 12:8)
Paul believed that there was no temptation, no matter how strong, that God did not also provide an escape from that temptation:

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (I Corinthians 10:13)
Regardless of what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, God refused to remove it. Therefore, Paul learned to take pleasure in his infirmities:

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. (II Corinthians 12:8-10)
Paul's escape from his "temptation" was the realization that his weakness made him a stronger witness for Jesus. Thus Paul came to actually take pleasure in his infirmities. He realized that God made him weak so that others could see what God could accomplish through such a weak person! Regardless of how weak due to physical or mental problems, we are all here for a reason. Never, ever believe you are too weak to fulfill your mission! The weaker you are, the more spectacular your accomplishment will be for God's glory. How did other Christians of his day react to Paul's temptation?

Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. (Galatians 4:13-14)
Would today's congregations act accordingly?

[Elijah John]

There is only one unforgivable sin and that is the rejection of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Where is that ever said in Scripture? In either the "Old" or the New Testament?

Jesus never said that. Your assertion would condemn millions of Jews though the ages, not to mention many many other people.

And what about non-"born-again" Christians? Or are all Christians "born-again"? Are you saying one needs to become an Evangelical Protestant Christian in order to be saved? What about Catholics, Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Elijah John]

There is only one unforgivable sin and that is the rejection of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Not according to the Bible. YHVH through the prophet Isaiah says otherwise:

I, even I am the LORD (YHVH), and beside me there is no savior.

Also, Jesus said that the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, not speaking against the Son of Man.

And also, Jesus never said "believe I will rise from the dead. and you will be saved", or after the fact,"believe that I rose from the dead" as a condition for salvation. That was Paul, not Jesus.

[FWI]

[Replying to post 1 by Lucian Hodoboc]

Does repeatedly struggling with the same sin over and over, after having repented many a time and having prayed to God for forgiveness, mean that you are not saved and that you will end up in hell?

Firstly, there is no such place as a hell (as explained by the believers in it)…So, you shouldn't worry about that issue. In Luke 13:1-5, we are told what becomes of us, unless we are granted repentance: we perish or cease to exist! We are not tortured for eternity in a hell fire. This false doctrine has plagued many…

So, if an individual is "trapped" in a sin, which is repeated regularly, then repentance hasn't been granted that person and there can be a sense of being lost. However, that isn't the case (unless a change doesn't evenually occur). The problem could be as simple as the person's approach. The apostle Paul had the same type of issues and stated so in Romans 7.

Therefore, is there a solution? Yes, there is…We need to go to God (the source of all blessings) and earnestly ask for repentance. As well as, realize that it may not happen overnight (though it could!) and exhibit that we "truly" do want to change. Because, we can't have it both ways: enjoying sin and pleasing God and His Son…

A review of Ezekiel 18:21-29, Luke 3:8, Acts 5:29-32, Acts 11:18, Romans 2:4 and 2 Timothy 2:25-26 could help.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Lucian Hodoboc]

No it means you are human. And that you love God. People that don't love God don't struggle with sin, they embrace it. The saying is "Fall, down seven, get up eight" as long as you keep on trying you will be blessed.

The Bible’s Viewpoint: Will God Overlook Our Weaknesses?

‘I am not wicked! I have tried very hard to give up my bad ways, but I am just too weak!’

DO THESE sentiments echo the way you or someone you know feels? Many conclude that it is virtually impossible for ingrained moral weaknesses to be conquered. Some people are dependent on alcohol, tobacco, or drugs. Greed dominates the lives of many others. And there are those who have given in to sexual misconduct, alleging that they are hopelessly addicted to sex.

Read the full article HERE
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102002808#h=1


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I would like to add that since we are particularly thinking about Jesus sacrifice, that you can take comfort in the fact that Jesus died for you and you have great value in God's eyes.

Did Jesus Really Die for Me?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... ie-for-me/