If we understand the transcendent God to mean God who is above and beyond us, the Father in Heaven, then who (assuming separate persons of the Trinity) is the "immanent" God? God with us, and in us?
Is it the "Risen Christ"? Or the "Holy Spirit"? Who was sent.
Where is the "Risen Christ" now?
Who is really "Immanuel", God with us? (please don't simply cite the "prophecy" from Isaiah or the Hymn.)
Who is the "immanence" of God?
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Who is the "immanence" of God?
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Who is the "immanence" of God?
Post #2I thought the point was that the transcendent GOD chose to be Immanent?Elijah John wrote: If we understand the transcendent God to mean God who is above and beyond us, the Father in Heaven, then who (assuming separate persons of the Trinity) is the "immanent" God? God with us, and in us?
Is it the "Risen Christ"? Or the "Holy Spirit"? Who was sent.
Where is the "Risen Christ" now?
Who is really "Immanuel", God with us? (please don't simply cite the "prophecy" from Isaiah or the Hymn.)
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Who is the "immanence" of God?
Post #3[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
IMO, Jesus Christ is in Heaven with God, "sitting by God's right side". Thus, The Holy Spirit is the "force" who is really with us, even in us, i.e., everyone being God's temple.
As such, my view of God is the retreated creator of all physical including ourselves "on our path back to Heaven by our full will and whole hearts. The view of (Scientific Christian) Deism that I find best.
IMO, Jesus Christ is in Heaven with God, "sitting by God's right side". Thus, The Holy Spirit is the "force" who is really with us, even in us, i.e., everyone being God's temple.
As such, my view of God is the retreated creator of all physical including ourselves "on our path back to Heaven by our full will and whole hearts. The view of (Scientific Christian) Deism that I find best.
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- Stronger Religion every day! Also by "mathematical Religion", the eternal forms, God closing the door on corrupt humanity, possibly!Re: Who is the "immanence" of God?
Post #5The transcendent God can only be immanent subjectively in the icon or image by the power of his spirit. For him to be present objectively would present a problem with idolotry. It would make God part of the created world.Elijah John wrote: If we understand the transcendent God to mean God who is above and beyond us, the Father in Heaven, then who (assuming separate persons of the Trinity) is the "immanent" God? God with us, and in us?
Is it the "Risen Christ"? Or the "Holy Spirit"? Who was sent.
Where is the "Risen Christ" now?
Who is really "Immanuel", God with us? (please don't simply cite the "prophecy" from Isaiah or the Hymn.)
Christ taught that where two or three are gathered, he is there in their midst so the events after the crucifixion illustrate this as well. The women who go the tomb see him, but can't touch him. The descriptions differ because when we look at them together the conflated texts tell us that Christ's disciples are beginning to become aware of what he meant rather than just agreeing with his teachings. They begin to see Christ in gardners, strangers breaking bread, locked rooms etc.
Just as God was present in the temple, Christ is present in, with and through those who are able to recieve his teachings. Thomas doubts, but eventually sees the reality of Christ's presence. He is asked to probe the wounds, but never actually does, not just because Christ isn't there in some physically risen body, but because there's no need to probe what is self evidently true. We are told it is better to beleive without seeing, but at some point that will lead to a true awareness of Christ's presence in one's life.
Christ pointed out that if one sees the son, they have seen the father, and by this same property he prays that just as he and the father are in each other so to may they be in him and he in them. So if you have seen a selfless follower of Christ, you have seen the risen Christ. You have seen God with us.
