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If Jesus is God, why didn't he teach anyone to pray to Jesus? If he had, do you think his apostles would have been able to take him seriously?

If the notion of praying to Jesus was ridiculous in his own day, then isn't the notion that Jesus is God also ridiculous?
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-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
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I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Because he was the perfect Son.

The notion the world was round was ridiculous once you know.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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It has to do with function and roles, not divinity. Jesus taught that we are to pray in his name (John 14:13) because he, as God the Son, is our intermediary with God the Father (1 Tim. 2:5). See here:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-mediator.html

But there is certainly nothing wrong with talking to Jesus or the Holy Spirit directly. Since all are God, they are all one in purpose as well as in kind. To talk to one is to talk to all given that they are one in essence and all are omniscient and omnipresent.

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Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Because he was the perfect Son.

The notion the world was round was ridiculous once you know.
So are you saying then, that the Son is not equal to the Father and is in fact subordinate to Him and therefore not the proper reciepient of prayer?

So Jesus is not God, but the Son of God?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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[Replying to post 3 by Overcomer]
because he, as God the Son, is our intermediary with God the Father (1 Tim. 2:5).
Your statement directly contradicts the verse you cited.

Paul does not say "God the Son", but "the man Christ Jesus".

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Wootah wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Because he was the perfect Son.

The notion the world was round was ridiculous once you know.
are you asking a QUESTION or making a statement ? This is your supposition so you really need to deal whit it first of all..

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Do you mean pray or worship?

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Elijah John wrote: If Jesus is God, why didn't he teach anyone to pray to Jesus? If he had, do you think his apostles would have been able to take him seriously?

If the notion of praying to Jesus was ridiculous in his own day, then isn't the notion that Jesus is God also ridiculous?
John 14:13-14 says, “And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.�

It seems that Jesus did instruct the disciples to pray in his name (“ask in my name�) and to pray to him (“you may ask me�).
Understand that you might believe. Believe that you might understand. –Augustine of Hippo

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bjs wrote:
Elijah John wrote: If Jesus is God, why didn't he teach anyone to pray to Jesus? If he had, do you think his apostles would have been able to take him seriously?

If the notion of praying to Jesus was ridiculous in his own day, then isn't the notion that Jesus is God also ridiculous?
John 14:13-14 says, “And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.�

It seems that Jesus did instruct the disciples to pray in his name (“ask in my name�) and to pray to him (“you may ask me�).

I can see no justification for regaarding Christ's role as emissary or messenger as equivalnt to his being God. A butler might dispense favours with his master's permission. Around the time of Christ in the reign of Tiberius, his chief adviser Sejanus was regarded as almost an emperor himself, such was the power delegated to him.
Christ said that all his power came from God and when he advised people to pray to the Father nobody could possibly construe that he was the Father's co-equal. It is possible that Christ's deification was done to emulate that of the Roman Emperors.

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[Replying to marco]

I was unaware that this thread is about the deity of Christ, and as of yet I have made no comments on that topic.

The topic was about prayer to Jesus. I pointed out that Jesus did instruct his disciples to pray to him.

I agree that a willingness to pray to someone is not the same as saying that person is God. The Roman Catholic Church encourages the veneration of saints, which is a kind of prayer, while recognizing that those saints are not God.

I don’t want to derail the thread into another debate about the deity of Christ. I disagree with both your take on the scriptures and with the historical claim that Christians were trying to emulate Roman Emperors. But let us save such things for their own thread.
Understand that you might believe. Believe that you might understand. –Augustine of Hippo

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