America to recognise Jerusalem

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US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Anyone else think this invites more terrorism and signals ever more turmoil?

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Do you think what a woman wears invites or justifies rape?

[Divine Insight]

US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Anyone else think this invites more terrorism and signals ever more turmoil?

I have extreme problems with Donald Trump arbitrarily doing this on behave of all of America.

Why should the President decide what America as a whole will recognize? Shouldn't that be up to "We the People"? (i.e. Congress).

This is a dictatorship where Americans are being held hostage by Donald Trump's personal whim. A man who has already proven himself to be mentally unstable and out of touch with reality.

America now represents the arbitrary whims of a mad man. It certainly doesn't represent "We the People".

Yes I agree, what Trump has just done will inflame the Middle East Crisis to be certain. Trump has basically just ended any peace talks in the Middle East and has proclaimed a totalitarian victory for Israel. That's not going to go over well for the Arab nations.

This is also going to give Islamic terrorist groups a very powerful shot-in-the-arm boosting their recruiting capability to a whole knew level. Yes, I imagine Terrorism is going to be on steroids now.

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I don't believe in the prophesy of the Abrahamic religions. But Donald Trump is certainly behaving precisely as the Anti-Christ would do. This could be a "self-fulfilling" prophesy. Trump is doing this to pump up his evangelical base of Christian fanatics, and he couldn't care less if it incites more terrorism and animosity with Islamic nations. In fact, he appears to thrive on conflict and acting like a bully.

Trump could bring humanity to its knees causing so much world conflict and animosity that it may be impossible to recover from.

America has just handed the most powerful nation on earth over to an immature mentally ill mad man. And now the entire world is going to suffer the consequences.

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US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Anyone else think this invites more terrorism and signals ever more turmoil?

I have extreme problems with Donald Trump arbitrarily doing this on behave of all of America.

Why should the President decide what America as a whole will recognize? Shouldn't that be up to "We the People"? (i.e. Congress).

Because, in Article 2 of the Constitution of these United States, "We the People" have vested that authority in the President. Recognition of a capital is not a treaty, but a State department policy. Also, Congress is not "We the People". "We the People" have vested the Congress with certain innumerated powers and the recognition of foreign capitals is not one of them. Though you might be concerned about the executive branch becoming a dictatorship, however, equating Congress with "We the People" amounts to nothing more or less than establishing an oligarchy. If every State Department decision required the proverbial "act of Congress", it would be impossible to effectively engage in foreign policy. That is why, short of a treaty, the President is granted that power.

[2ndRateMind]

US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Anyone else think this invites more terrorism and signals ever more turmoil?

Israel and Palestine have been reasonably quiet, recently.

And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The corollary to that epithet is that if it ain't broke, and you try to fix it, you will probably break it.

Other than more divisiveness, in America and in the world, I don't see what Trump or America stand to gain. But then, Trump thrives on controversy.

Best wishes, 2RM.

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Though you might be concerned about the executive branch becoming a dictatorship, however, equating Congress with "We the People" amounts to nothing more or less than establishing an oligarchy.

I agree that American democracy hardly represents "We the People".

But then again, all this basically means is that "We the People" is nothing more than an empty phrase. It sounds good, but basically has no meat.

In other words, the true situation in America is that we are being run by an independent dictator (i.e. the president), who is only slightly restrained by a Congress that itself does not represent the people.

I won't disagree with that at all.

And I would also say that we have been very fortunate over the decades to have had presidents and a congress who were fairly sane and at least tried to do what's right for the people.

Apparently that tradition has ended with this new administration.

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Though you might be concerned about the executive branch becoming a dictatorship, however, equating Congress with "We the People" amounts to nothing more or less than establishing an oligarchy.

I agree that American democracy hardly represents "We the People".

But then again, all this basically means is that "We the People" is nothing more than an empty phrase. It sounds good, but basically has no meat.

I didn't say that. "We the People" is not an empty phrase. It states that governmental authority comes from the consent of the governed. Last time I checked "We the People" still have elections to choose the President and those who represent us in Congress.

In other words, the true situation in America is that we are being run by an independent dictator (i.e. the president), who is only slightly restrained by a Congress that itself does not represent the people.

I won't disagree with that at all.

And I would also say that we have been very fortunate over the decades to have had presidents and a congress who were fairly sane and at least tried to do what's right for the people.

Apparently that tradition has ended with this new administration.

I didn't say any of that either. However, I think your view of history is a bit biased. These views have been leveled against nearly every administration by those who oppose it, since the founding of this country. With the possible exception of George Washington, every single president has been accused of acting in a dictatorial fashion and every congress has been accused of being ineffective. Also, a good many presidents have had their sanity questioned by those who oppose them. There is nothing new here. In fact, your protests were addressed in the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. It is well established law that the President has the authority to run the administrative branch as he see fit, subject to the ENACTED CONSTITUTIONAL LEGISLATION of the Congress. The opinions of various members of the Congress, the Press and certain posters on various websites are relevant only to the extent that they effect an election or result in the enactment of legislation. If "We the People" do not think that it is a good thing for the State Department of these United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, "We the People" can encourage our elected representatives to enact actual legislation prohibiting it. Personally, given other more pressing issues, I think such legislation would be nothing more than an act of political grandstanding.

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But then, Trump thrives on controversy.

Yes. Can't help but feel if there were big red button in the oval house with a sign...

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[mrow]Do NOT PRESS!! or something really noisy and terrible will happen

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...we would soon found out what the button does.

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...an immature mentally ill mad man.

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US to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Anyone else think this invites more terrorism and signals ever more turmoil?

Because terrorists need more of a reason to do all the evil things they do?

They are already committed to the total and complete destruction of Israel. I think their minds were already made up before this nonsense hit the news.