Anti refugee rhetoric is either hate or cowardice.

[DanieltheDragon]

Given the multiple refugee crises arising in the past few years. Millions of refugee immigrants have been displaced. Given their vulnerability to exploitation and fear of returning home lest they risk death. The rhetoric that follows against them is illogical and unreasonable given the statistics. Unless you account for fear and hate. If one hates brown people or people of another religion then it makes perfect sense to discriminate against the meek and helpless. There is a motive. Same with fear and they both feed into each other.

Is there an unconsidered explanation?

What good reasons other than hate and cowardice do we have to let refugees die?

[CrisMac]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

The rhetoric that follows against them is illogical and unreasonable given the statistics.

Here are some statistics about what Muslims believe.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

More information on the First Barbary war, and the ottoman empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

The point I am trying to make is that if you come to America seeking refuge you must assimilate. The majority do not plan on assimilating. Look no further than Europe for an explanation of what I mean.

[ttruscott]

Calling anti-terrorism immigration anti-immigration is true hate.

[CrisMac]

Calling anti-terrorism immigration anti-immigration is true hate.

I cannot seem to grasp your statement. Would you please elaborate further on this?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

The rhetoric that follows against them is illogical and unreasonable given the statistics.

Here are some statistics about what Muslims believe.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

More information on the First Barbary war, and the ottoman empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

The point I am trying to make is that if you come to America seeking refuge you must assimilate. The majority do not plan on assimilating. Look no further than Europe for an explanation of what I mean.

Europes issues are very different than Americas in terms of intergration. There are steep cultural issues Europeans have traditionally had with immigration. America was founded on immigration and traditionally we have had much success with intergration of our immigrant cultures. Your comparing apples and oranges.

Secondly most are fully aware of what Muslims believe are you aware of what the KKK believes? What many Christians in America believe? People believe in all sorts of crazy things. The difference is how people act on them.


The reality is Terrorism in Europe and America is far more likely to be home grown and not Muslim. Than from Muslim immigrants. Terrorism in general is more likely to be home grown than international.

How many Syrian immigrant refugee terrorists are there?

The Muslim population that currently resides in America has had a ton of success intergrating. We already have millions here there is a path to intergration.

So again what is the issue with making sure Syrians stay in Syria why would anti immigrants rather have refugees die in a bloody civil war than giving them refuge?

Your answer is because they won't assimilate?

What happens if they don't assimilate? What is your fear of that doesn't happen?

[CrisMac]

Europes issues are very different than Americas in terms of intergration. There are steep cultural issues Europeans have traditionally had with immigration. America was founded on immigration and traditionally we have had much success with intergration of our immigrant cultures. Your comparing apples and oranges.

http://theweek.com/articles/669030/ange ... ing-europe

"Germany thought it could assimilate newcomers. It believed it had done so before, having absorbed Turkish "guestworkers" during the 1960s and 1970s. But there are notable differences between Turks and the current refugee wave. Turkey had already undergone significant secularization. This new wave of migration into Germany is showing signs of developing some of the generational problems that mass Islamic migration has created in France. Syrian migrants find that the Arabic-language mosques in Germany, often funded by Saudi Arabia, preach a form of Islam far more fundamentalist and hostile to Western people and culture than anything they knew in Syria. Secondly, Turks came with skills that were immediately put into employment in the German economy. The new migrants are hardly working at all."

Secondly most are fully aware of what Muslims believe are you aware of what the KKK believes? What many Christians in America believe? People believe in all sorts of crazy things. The difference is how people act on them. The reality is Terrorism in Europe and America is far more likely to be home grown and not Muslim. Than from Muslim immigrants. Terrorism in general is more likely to be home grown than international. How many Syrian immigrant refugee terrorists are there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

http://www.wnd.com/2008/09/76017/

“average peaceful Muslim and moderate western Muslim� are that way “because they have not studied the Quran.�

“If a Muslim begins to study the Quran, understands the true religion of Islam, and what true Islam requires a true Muslim to do, he will either reject Islam or he will become a Muslim committed to violence,�

Those who hijacked airplanes on 9/11 and killed thousands “are not extremists from a Quranic viewpoint; only a Western viewpoint,�

The Muslim population that currently resides in America has had a ton of success intergrating. We already have millions here there is a path to intergration.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/amer ... imilating/

So again what is the issue with making sure Syrians stay in Syria why would anti immigrants rather have refugees die in a bloody civil war than giving them refuge?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chaker-kh ... 80448.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 0ef10471b3

Why wont the Arab nations take their own people? They need to be concerned with their own people more than we (Americans) do.

I do not wish anyone to die, but the that is the reality of the world. Innocent people die, and that is unfortunate. Do not assume there are only two options (you accept them) or (you wish them to die). Your statement is black and white and you do not account for the grey area called reality.

Your answer is because they won't assimilate?
What happens if they don't assimilate? What is your fear of that doesn't happen?

https://www.constituteproject.org/const ... erica_1992

Article 4, Section 4

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

America is not America if migrants do not assimilate. This is not a fear, but a fact.

[marco]

What good reasons other than hate and cowardice do we have to let refugees die?

I'm not sure that "hate" and "cowardice" are "good reasons" for letting refugees die.


The good reason here in Europe for being suspicious of "refugees" is that many are not refugees at all; many have destroyed all their papers; many have refused sanctuary in the country they landed in and make their way to Calais, for instance, to seek entry to Britain, which, they think, offers generous terms; in attempting to get to the country of their choice many attack drivers and are a threatening presence to the people of the area they have chosen to occupy; many others take advantage of the carelessness of western women to sexually harass them or even rape them.

Unreasonable though it may seem, lots of people are reluctant to welcome refugees who might fall into one of the above categories. Britain attempted to save the children who were caught up in France and received lots of children who had clearly celebrated their 21st birthday some years earlier.

The Germans drove out to welcome refugees from war-torn Syria and Iraq - commendably. Afghans, Somalis, Pakistanis... and sundry others flooded in. Cologne experienced sexual assaults on its women. Big hearted Sweden had already experienced this but was reluctant to report it lest it be seen as hostile to the poor refugees. France has a slight problem with terrorist attacks in its capital, so taking in lots of other people doesn't seem a bright idea. Policing what they have is hard enough.

Poland suggested it would take only Christians in a bid to isolate possible terrorists. But this was nastily discriminatory. It is better to allow a few terrorists into the country - surely - than block the entry of thousands of desperate people. Who knows?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

I'm probably a bit of both.

I hate Islam and I fear it. I also think my culture hates itself and is afraid to stand up for itself.

For me I would be happier about immigration if the immigrants agreed they were leaving failed cultures.

I also fear that the real refugees never get to leave. It's almost like the parable of the good Samaritan except we are looking after the thieves and not the poor guy that got mugged down the road.

I think being afraid is quite a wise way of living and that others possibly rooted in jealousy and envy might see that as hate.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 7 by marco]

I think part of the problem is that Europe is taking its unfair share of the burden. Germany has taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees turkey has millions. We have only taken about ten thousand. Our resources are vastly larger compared to Europe's and we are part of the reason for the current situation by destabilizing Iraq, which remenants of the Iraq military joined up with militants in Syria causing the problem we have now.

If y'all had half of the refugees taken in it would be a lot easier for you. I get the fear as I said that was the logical reason for not wanting refugees. As per the reasons you listed. I just don't think we are doing enough to help our allies and the very real humanitarian issues going on in Syria.

Obama handled the situation horribly, even he has admitted as much recently. Displacement of people's is not really what we want but what should be done? Kick them out and let them fend for themselves? Take them in and risk an uptick in crime and violent crime? It's a rock and a hard place for sure. I think if we weigh the pros and cons the long term solution that would benefit everyone is acceptance and support. Enculturation naturally takes over in the long run. It might be 3 generation before real assimilation occurs. The other choice seems like it will lead to a real increase in resentment instability and terrorism in the long term.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

I'm probably a bit of both.

I hate Islam and I fear it. I also think my culture hates itself and is afraid to stand up for itself.

For me I would be happier about immigration if the immigrants agreed they were leaving failed cultures.

I also fear that the real refugees never get to leave. It's almost like the parable of the good Samaritan except we are looking after the thieves and not the poor guy that got mugged down the road.

I think being afraid is quite a wise way of living and that others possibly rooted in jealousy and envy might see that as hate.

We are talking mostly about women and children with Syrian refugees though. Especially for America as Turkey and Germany have already taken the vast majority. There are thousands upon thousands of orphans that need homes. It is like the Good Samaritan and we are not the Good Samaritan. We are the ones ignoring the beat up man because he looked scary..

Also many of the men are either dead or fighting for one of the many sides in this war. The ones running are the ones least likely to be criminals. As has been shown in Europe the problem is stemming from home grown terrorism people faking being a refugee and a poorly managed open border system. The actual refugees themselves are just trying to survive.

Also I pointed out that fear and hate are not the same thing although one can do both as you mentioned.

I think being afraid is quite a wise way of living and that others possibly rooted in jealousy and envy might see that as hate

This is an odd statement considering you openly admitted to hating Muslims. So I don't see how it is jealousy or envy that gets people to see it that way. What would I be jealous of anyways? This statement doesn't make sense.