This is a peculiar political season. Pardon the pun, but the saying, "Politics makes strange bedfellows" is really playing out this year. Even though progressives act like they have a lock with blacks and LGBT, I have seen an increasing number of conservatives on fox from those groups. Also, I have talked to many black people who are well aware that the gun restriction laws were first proposed to keep fire arms away from them exclusively. Now, progun LGBT are coming out of the closet.
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Are these just anomalies, or is there a serious shift from identity politics to issue oriented politics?
Strange bedfellows
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It appears that I spoke too soon. It appears many in the media are pushing oppressed repressed victimology as the explanation for the Orlando shootings. Nothing to do with radical Islam. If we can just outlaw guns and homophobia, we can be sure this will "never happen again". Riiiiiiight. I sure hope this is just media spin and that what I hear from actual people regarding looking at the actual issues and not identity politics is the trend.
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Whatever the media is trying to do isn't what's important, except if a person allows the media to do their thinkin' for them. I do my best to wade through the rhetoric in hopes of finding a fact or two 
and find the facts somewhat evenly distributed and SPARSE lol. It's like the media gives us just enough information to trigger our projections which fill in the information gaps, alas.
Identity politics requires a lot less work than issue oriented politics, but it will still figure in because we're all biased. I'm biased to the left, and thus more suggestible to the left, can't help it. Not sure what you are referring to in your second post, but I've been seeing pretty much what I expected, the left avoiding the religious angle except when it applies to Christians
and the right workin' hard on making this out to be a holy war against Islam.
If it's true that the conservatives 'see' important things the 'liberals' don't see, then it's just as true vice versa. We libs see the potential to alienate/marginalize the American Muslims that we desperately need on 'our side' by broad brushing the whole bunch with 'radical Islam' as if it were just another word for "Muslim" (what with the outcry against Muslim immigration/taking refuge here, and Donald Trump
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The Right assumes the Left is ignoring a real threat, and the Left assumes the Right wants their holy war, too. Can you say we both mischaracterize the other?
I don't know what to think, yet, about LGBT arming themselves. Holy moley. I can hardly blame them, they're feeling really, really put out by the climate of anti-LGBT in America these days, very threatened and indignant. Until June 12, LGBT were persecuted by conservative Christians. The strident Christian Right has been somewhat de-fanged and aren't likely to act out the atrocities radicalized Muslims ARE likely to act out.
Perhaps as mutual targets of radicalized Islam, LGBT could extend an olive twig, if not a whole branch, to Christians and vice versa.
and find the facts somewhat evenly distributed and SPARSE lol. It's like the media gives us just enough information to trigger our projections which fill in the information gaps, alas. Identity politics requires a lot less work than issue oriented politics, but it will still figure in because we're all biased. I'm biased to the left, and thus more suggestible to the left, can't help it. Not sure what you are referring to in your second post, but I've been seeing pretty much what I expected, the left avoiding the religious angle except when it applies to Christians
and the right workin' hard on making this out to be a holy war against Islam.If it's true that the conservatives 'see' important things the 'liberals' don't see, then it's just as true vice versa. We libs see the potential to alienate/marginalize the American Muslims that we desperately need on 'our side' by broad brushing the whole bunch with 'radical Islam' as if it were just another word for "Muslim" (what with the outcry against Muslim immigration/taking refuge here, and Donald Trump
).The Right assumes the Left is ignoring a real threat, and the Left assumes the Right wants their holy war, too. Can you say we both mischaracterize the other?
I don't know what to think, yet, about LGBT arming themselves. Holy moley. I can hardly blame them, they're feeling really, really put out by the climate of anti-LGBT in America these days, very threatened and indignant. Until June 12, LGBT were persecuted by conservative Christians. The strident Christian Right has been somewhat de-fanged and aren't likely to act out the atrocities radicalized Muslims ARE likely to act out.
Perhaps as mutual targets of radicalized Islam, LGBT could extend an olive twig, if not a whole branch, to Christians and vice versa.
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Re: Strange bedfellows
Post #4I wish. There is a huge backlash against identity politics right now but I don't know if it will be enought to counter it.bluethread wrote:
Are these just anomalies, or is there a serious shift from identity politics to issue oriented politics?
