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Negativity, Anxiety and Fear

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The article quoted below focuses on differences between political conservatives and political liberals. However, its findings may apply to conservatism in general, including religious conservatism / traditionalism.
Negativity, anxiety and fear: A neuroscientist explains conservatives’ fear-driven political attitudes

Let’s see what the peer-reviewed research has to say about the conservative brain.

1. Conservatives tend to focus on the negative

In a 2012 study published in the prestigious journal Behavioral and Brain Sciences, liberal and conservative participants were shown collages of both negative and positive images on a computer screen while their eye movements were recorded. While liberals were quicker to look at pleasant images, like a happy child or a cute bunny rabbit, conservatives tended to behave oppositely. They’d first inspect threatening and disturbing pictures—things like car wrecks, spiders on faces, and open wounds crawling with maggots—and would also tend to dwell on them for longer. This is what psychologists call a “negativity bias�. If you think about it, this makes a lot of sense. When attention is biased toward the negative, the result is an overly threat-conscious appraisal of one’s surroundings. Essentially, to many conservatives the world looks like a much scarier place. This would seem to explain why so many major conservative viewpoints tend to be rooted in irrational fears—like fear of the president, immigrants, Muslims, vaccinations, etc.

2. Conservatives are more anxious

A study found that conservatives have a stronger physiological response to startling noises and graphic images. This adds to a growing body of research that indicates a hypersensitivity to threat—a hallmark of anxiety. But why exactly would those that scare more easily tend to support conservative views? One social psychologist from the University of Central Arkansas, Paul Nail, has a pretty interesting answer: “Conservatism, apparently, helps to protect people against some of the natural difficulties of living. The fact is we don’t live in a completely safe world. Things can and do go wrong. But if I can impose this order on it by my worldview, I can keep my anxiety to a manageable level.� This could explain the two parties’ different stances on gun control. It only makes sense that those who startle more easily are also the ones that believe they need to own a gun.

3. Conservatives fear new experiences

A 2008 study catalogued items found in the bedrooms of college students and saw that while liberals owned more books and travel-related items, conservatives had more things that kept order in their lives, like calendars and cleaning supplies. This tells us that liberals more often seek adventure and novel experiences. Conservatives, on the other hand, seem to prefer a more ordered, disciplined lifestyle. This could help explain why they are so resistant to change and progressive policies.

4. Conservatives’ brains are more reactive to fear

Using MRI, scientists from University College London have found that students who identify themselves as conservatives have a larger amygdala than self-described liberals. This brain structure is involved in emotion processing, and is especially reactive to fearful stimuli. It is possible that an oversized amygdala could create a heightened sensitivity that may cause one to habitually overreact to anything that appears to be a potential threat, whether it actually is one or not. This disproportionate fear response could explain how, for example, Bush’s administration was able to gather wide public support amongst conservatives for invading Iraq. They knew if they said the phrase “weapons of mass destruction� enough times that it wouldn’t matter whether they really existed or not.

Now we see that empirical evidence tells us that conservatives and liberals don’t just have different outlooks and opinions. They also have different brains. This means that our choice of political affiliation and overall worldview may not really be all that much of a choice. Still, we must work to understand these psychological and biological distinctions so that we can ultimately use this knowledge to work better together and find middle ground. Such information may also make us less vulnerable to those who want to exploit these dispositions for their own selfish agendas, using tactics like fear mongering.

Furthermore, knowing why someone is the way they are helps us to be more tolerant and patient with one another. But we must also be honest about the situation. When important choices are being made based on gut instinct rather than logical reasoning, it is everyone’s responsibility to point this out so that it doesn’t result in catastrophe. And in a time when there actually are real threats present, like Ebola and ISIS, it is essential that we keep the paranoia at bay and a calm collectedness when making decisions.

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Many Christians I encounter in debate and in real life (perhaps the majority?) seem to exhibit

1. Negativity – feeling of worthlessness (without gods); condemning mankind (without gods); making pessimistic statements; claiming that humans are basically immoral, wicked, sinful (without gods); making frequent "end of the world" predictions (with gods).

2. Anxiety – Failure to live up to expectations promoted by Christendom in spite of trying. Never good enough.

3, Fear – of punishment in a hypothetical "afterlife"; fear of "Atheists", homosexuals, Muslims, even Christian sects that differ from chosen one; fear of science that contradicts religious beliefs and/or shows stories and claims to be unsupportable and contrary to what is known of the real world.

Question for debate: Do the ideas above provide at least partial explanation for differences between people who tend to be conservative vs. those who tend to be liberal?
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Many Christians I encounter in debate and in real life (perhaps the majority?) seem to exhibit

1. Negativity – feeling of worthlessness (without gods); condemning mankind (without gods); making pessimistic statements; claiming that humans are basically immoral, wicked, sinful (without gods); making frequent "end of the world" predictions (with gods).

2. Anxiety – Failure to live up to expectations promoted by Christendom in spite of trying. Never good enough.

3, Fear – of punishment in a hypothetical "afterlife"; fear of "Atheists", homosexuals, Muslims, even Christian sects that differ from chosen one; fear of science that contradicts religious beliefs and/or shows stories and claims to be unsupportable and contrary to what is known of the real world.

Question for debate: Do the ideas above provide at least partial explanation for differences between people who tend to be conservative vs. those who tend to be liberal?
First of all, it's hard to miss that 'conservative' politics have become twinned with 'conservative' religious beliefs to the point where politics and religion have become a single thing. If there are nontheist conservative in Internet Land, they aren't very outspoken about themselves, so I have no information about how they interact with it all.

Anxiety and fear are necessary parts of the human condition, but the way folks cope with anxiety and fear will divide humans into functional types, that's for sure.

Since everyone must cope with anxieties and fears, what are the strategies? This will get speculative, but there's a bit of professional experience informing speculation. One very common strategy to deal with life's anxieties and fears is to seek reassurance and refuge from what provokes the anxiety and fear. We automatically seek reassurance from authority figures. If getting rid of the anxiety and fear is particularly important, finding the 'right' authority figure may feel necessary; then, the anxiety and fear could be allayed with obedience to the authority figure and their 'directions for life'.

Note the individual who orients this way does not see themselves as always having the resources or power to cope with life's stresses and fears. The lack of self trust is also implied ("I can't do this without powerful help from someone/something else").

Another strategy that is fairly common shows a different relationship to anxiety and fear -- not as something that must be eradicated, but challenged, tolerated for some meaningful purpose. Some individuals crave stimulation and adventure and make their lives MORE dangerous (mountain climbing, tight rope walking :D ) for the sheer fun of it.

Which leads me to suspect that some people experience fear/anxiety as more painful and stressful than others. This seems like a matter of temperament, if you've ever raised two or more children, how right out of the chute some kids can't tolerate a damp diaper and the next born requires the installation of multiple locks and barriers so they don't off themselves accidentally. It seems reasonable that people are 'wired' differently in very basic ways, and this impacts their whole life from the bottom up.

And on the basis of differences in coping with life's fears and anxieties, it follows that some will be naturally attracted to a more authoritarian conservatism, and others a more de-centralized, 'experimental' approach to politics (progressivism).

A person with a low tolerance for ambiguity and 'not knowing for sure' will resonate with a political stance that emphasizes authority and obedience, and that appears to include religious stances. The religious sects with the greatest emphasis on pure obedience to an absolute God who made and does everything, and knows you inside and out as well, is going to be very appealing to those who want the fears and anxieties gone. The sects that come to mind are no surprise; evangelical fundamentalism, those who've managed to fabricate an entire worldview based on Biblical inerrancy. The demands of such sects are low in complexity (strict obedience is not particularly complicated) but the demands made of the adherents are so inappropriate to human nature they create more anxiety and fear.

Fortunately for them, greater obedience is the 'answer' to intolerable anxiety and fear, and it provides a predictable and consistent worldview that makes 'sense' out of our human fears. That it is completely circular and self-reinforcing is also 'fortunate', and it 'works' for about . . . half of us :D .

I think this study (and those like it) are important for a person's self-knowledge. Unfortunately, self-knowledge isn't a high priority as long as one is properly obedient and ever ready to heed the demands of the authority figure. Thus, the fear and anxiety cycle is perpetuated.

Self-knowledge is tremendously important, especially when one has the conservative religious bent. Exploitative authority figures must be recognized. Personal subjectivity becomes conflated with fact, and there is no mechanism for correction, just more obedience and self denial. It causes IMO a worldview with excessive self-preoccupation and absorption, and the results are runaway egotism disguised as piety or obedience. Where can compassion come from when one is in a victim in a constant battle with 'evil' and self-reassurance?

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Zzyzx wrote: Question for debate: Do the ideas above provide at least partial explanation for differences between people who tend to be conservative vs. those who tend to be liberal?
I don’t think “liberal� and “conservative�, at least in politics, are really different, because both of them use fear, rules by using fear. For example, climate change is one matter that “liberals� seem to bring on to debate and by that the goal is basically pay more taxes, or else world is destroyed. So that is one fear based ruling method. Other is basically, don’t vote “conservatives� they are all Nazis and it will lead to world which is not good. In politics fear is what most seem to use (not all, and that is not necessary bad, if well argued, usually just fear talk without any explanations or answers).

Liberal who is open to new ideas may say, “You must do this new thing, or else things don’t go well�. Conservative may say “You must not do this new thing, or else things don’t go well�. They can be equally fearful or negative. They just have different point of view what would be negative or what would lead to negative result. Rational person would ask more and then make decisions on good reasons not because of fear.

And also, aren’t the 3 reasons also possible reason s for atheist not to become Christian? Most atheists seem to fear to become Christians because of those 3 reasons.

Best thing in my opinion would be that fear is not the reason for any decision.

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Zzyzx wrote: Question for debate: Do the ideas above provide at least partial explanation for differences between people who tend to be conservative vs. those who tend to be liberal?
I don’t think “liberal� and “conservative�, at least in politics, are really different, because both of them use fear, rules by using fear. For example, climate change is one matter that “liberals� seem to bring on to debate and by that the goal is basically pay more taxes, or else world is destroyed. So that is one fear based ruling method. Other is basically, don’t vote “conservatives� they are all Nazis and it will lead to world which is not good. In politics fear is what most seem to use (not all, and that is not necessary bad, if well argued, usually just fear talk without any explanations or answers).

Liberal who is open to new ideas may say, “You must do this new thing, or else things don’t go well�. Conservative may say “You must not do this new thing, or else things don’t go well�. They can be equally fearful or negative. They just have different point of view what would be negative or what would lead to negative result. Rational person would ask more and then make decisions on good reasons not because of fear.

And also, aren’t the 3 reasons also possible reason s for atheist not to become Christian? Most atheists seem to fear to become Christians because of those 3 reasons.

Best thing in my opinion would be that fear is not the reason for any decision.
Eliminating fear-driven decisions is impossible, there's always going to be SOME fear/anxiety experienced when facing a decision. Fear is universal and instinctive, and operates within us without awareness. We fear wetting our pants in public, and avoid doing so by using the bathroom :D . Who would know they fear wetting themselves in public? Have to 'go' and no bathroom in sight -- then it's pretty clear that fear operates beneath just about everything, along with avoiding pain.

There are some individuals who don't experience fear, but they are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is ABNORMAL to not be motivated by fear. And for the rest of us, impossible.

The OP's research study shows that conservatives react more quickly and intensely to fear than their liberal counterparts, and more drastically. Sure, there's fear mongering on both sides! But that's missing the point of the study. It's about what people DO with their fears and insecurities; conservatives react more intensely and defensively, and liberal/progressives react less intensely and defensively than conservatives.

The point is (or implies) that people tend to be conservative or liberal because of their native temperament, rather than 'because they chose the RIGHT political party to follow' :D That's what a person may tell themselves and even believe . . . but according to this experiment, the native temperament of a person makes the choice rather than some rational process. At least the initial choice is made instinctively, and rationality enters in afterward.

It is no surprise that the conservative faction appeals to evangelical/fundamentalist Christians, a group who sees their lives as a battle between good and evil. It's not their capacity for affection that aligns fundamentalist values with conservative values :tongue: It's that they are already the SAME values, based upon the same universal fears of losing control and being powerless.

I hold to some conservative values and some progressive or liberal ones. But if I were to just CHOOSE reflexively, I would be a die hard liberal because those values most closely match how I am. Maturity and experience have revealed the value in conservative values but you should have seen me in my 20's . . .

If a person knows how they themselves tick, then progress away from knee-jerk fear reaction can be made. If a person dismisses the idea that fear is a primary motivation underlying their religious choices, then they don't know themselves very well. The better you know your own self, the greater the freedom from fear and the less it rules your life.

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I am an atheist conservative and, I think you did note an important distinction in that religion has very much been absorbed and consolidated with the right. That being said I don't think any of the above categories fits the bill for me even though I do see it in others.

When issues of Iran/Russia/China/Israel, Immigration, Abortion crop up I think we really see those attributes come to the fore. These issues are either related to xenophobia, or religious which is why we see such vocalization from certain groups of conservatives because as you say they probably feel that is is out of their control and have a low tolerance for ambiguity and seek a strong authoritative figure that can alienate there xenophobic and religious fears. So that's where the Hukabee's Graham's Carson's etc come in.

The conservative values that these groups cling to are co-opted values that were not always there. When I think of conservatism the values which are important to me are individual freedom, fiscal efficiency, lower government intrusion, and putting a premium on the constitution. For those in another group those values change and it becomes a little weird IMHO. Where the order changes to religious values, prescripted family values, prescripted individual behaviors, strong military authority, strong police authority, lower executive authority, lower taxes(except when it effects the military), then maybe deregulation, fiscal efficieny, religious freedom(for Christians only).

Things like individual freedom, the bill of rights, low government authority, and fiscal efficieny get chucked out the window to the more important religious issues.
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Hamsaka wrote: Eliminating fear-driven decisions is impossible, there's always going to be SOME fear/anxiety experienced when facing a decision. Fear is universal and instinctive, and operates within us without awareness. We fear wetting our pants in public, and avoid doing so by using the bathroom :D .
I don’t think fear is the reason in that. The reason is that the situation would not be pleasant and person tries to avoid it.
Hamsaka wrote:There are some individuals who don't experience fear, but they are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is ABNORMAL to not be motivated by fear. And for the rest of us, impossible.
I think person’s motivator is either fear or love. I hope I am not ruled by fear.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
Hamsaka wrote:...the native temperament of a person makes the choice rather than some rational process.
That may be true in many cases. I don’t believe that in all cases.

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DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Hamsaka]

I am an atheist conservative and, I think you did note an important distinction in that religion has very much been absorbed and consolidated with the right. That being said I don't think any of the above categories fits the bill for me even though I do see it in others.
A temperament with a more intense reaction to fearful stimuli is doesn't mean it is a BAD temperament (I know you know this, just sayin' for the reader's sakes). It is just a kind of temperament.

If conservatism was a magnet, people with a high 'iron' content temperament would get stuck to it without much of a choice :D , and those with a low 'iron' content temperament would find themselves less, um, attracted.
When issues of Iran/Russia/China/Israel, Immigration, Abortion crop up I think we really see those attributes come to the fore. These issues are either related to xenophobia, or religious which is why we see such vocalization from certain groups of conservatives because as you say they probably feel that is is out of their control and have a low tolerance for ambiguity and seek a strong authoritative figure that can alienate there xenophobic and religious fears. So that's where the Hukabee's Graham's Carson's etc come in.
Yes. Perhaps, when particular religious beliefs enter the fray, we're seeing the difference between 'high iron content' and 'really, really high iron content'. Xenophobia is excessively fearful in this day and age. And modern life seems to require a higher tolerance for ambiguity than some are willing to tolerate? The reassurance of black and white marching orders from an absolute authority figure would be very appealing to them, and the GOP has targeted and exploited this voting base.
The conservative values that these groups cling to are co-opted values that were not always there. When I think of conservatism the values which are important to me are individual freedom, fiscal efficiency, lower government intrusion, and putting a premium on the constitution.
Those are the conservative values that make the most sense to me. "Personal responsibility" (empowering the individual however) is part of my conservative values as well. Making 'hand outs' too easily available insults the better parts of human nature IMO. I made use of them when my kids were tiny and I went to nursing school as a newly divorced single mom, so I've seen both sides of the issue.
For those in another group those values change and it becomes a little weird IMHO. Where the order changes to religious values, prescripted family values, prescripted individual behaviors, strong military authority, strong police authority, lower executive authority, lower taxes(except when it effects the military), then maybe deregulation, fiscal efficieny, religious freedom(for Christians only).
The 'difference' must be in the level of fearfulness/anxiety in the temperament, what do you think? Something is driving people's choices, toward excessively authoritarian religious beliefs, and like the next person, they vote and take responsibility in local government. What is a more powerful motivator than fear?

It's a bit like looking at conservative values in a fun-house mirror, or seeing conservative values being eaten and assimilated by a mystery monster, and turned into something sort of recognizable, but not. Bodysnatchers. Maybe that's a bit much . . .
Things like individual freedom, the bill of rights, low government authority, and fiscal efficieny get chucked out the window to the more important religious issues.
It is a real tragedy for our nation to have lost the best of the conservative party to the religious right. Conservative values are as necessary as progressive ones, they preserve what we've created and protect it from excessive exuberant willy-nilly progress. The religious right seeks to preserve what never existed in the first place except in their rewritten self-congratulatory history. It only seeks to preserve a narrow and religiously distorted range of values, rather than fiscal efficiency/responsibility or minimal government interjection. Obergefell vs Hodges showed the RR's contempt for the constitution to the whole world.

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Hamsaka wrote: Eliminating fear-driven decisions is impossible, there's always going to be SOME fear/anxiety experienced when facing a decision. Fear is universal and instinctive, and operates within us without awareness. We fear wetting our pants in public, and avoid doing so by using the bathroom :D .
I don’t think fear is the reason in that. The reason is that the situation would not be pleasant and person tries to avoid it.
That is the 'conscious', obvious motivation. If it is cold outside, it will be even more unpleasant :D . So what human emotion do you think is the reason people go to great lengths to avoid 'unpleasant' or embarrassing situations? I call that emotion 'fear', but you don't? Genuine question.
Hamsaka wrote:There are some individuals who don't experience fear, but they are sociopaths and psychopaths. It is ABNORMAL to not be motivated by fear. And for the rest of us, impossible.
I think person’s motivator is either fear or love. I hope I am not ruled by fear.
You and me both. The process of maturation includes 'getting to know one's self', how we 'tick' and why we do what we do. At least that's how I look at it. I don't believe any human being can eradicate fear from within themselves, it is too deeply tied in with instinctual survival. The drive to survive IS fear based, at least initially. The great thing about the human mind is it an be KNOWN by the person (in that they know themselves, how they 'tick') and then, with effort, changed if necessary.

Being motivated by 'love' is what I hear some Christians speak about, and without all the other religious doctrines and dogmas, this focus on 'love' is worth saving the whole religion from the insanity of its fundamentalism. Buddhism and Hinduism (there are many 'schools' of both) also have an idea of 'love' as a transcendent and worthy goal for people.

But as just about anyone who's paid attention already knows, love and fear don't happen together. The impulse to 'love' is not nearly as powerful and reinforced as instinctive fear, that's obvious in daily life. Religious beliefs stripped of fear-mongering nonsense and superstitions could be good 'vehicles' to learn about and practice love rather than resort to defensive fear.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
I'm not surprised there is a scripture about love and fear being incompatible. Again, Christianity is one of several major world religions that teaches this concept.
Hamsaka wrote:...the native temperament of a person makes the choice rather than some rational process.
That may be true in many cases. I don’t believe that in all cases.
Let me ask you a question :) ; how would you KNOW for sure when you are motivated by rational thinking versus being motivated by your fears?

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In one or two of my posts I have used a quote by John Stuart Mill, in addendum: "It is true that not all conservatives are stupid, but it is true that most stupid people are conservative." I know I am not charitable in repeating the quote, but in place of not knowing how large a person's amygdala may be, I react this way out of frustration with many conservatives' stances.

What Zzyzx has brought to my attention is that there is an inborn directive driving such fearful and defensive actions. Like Hamsaka, I consider myself appreciative of some conservative values like personal and fiscal responsibility, civil behavior, and national defense within reason. In the matter of religion, I was an unquestioning nice boy until atheism was abruptly brought to my attention. In the matter of politics I was an unconcerned nice boy until conservative friends tried to bracket me.
Politely at first, I slowly began questioning my lackadaisical position (why take a position?). Well, the religionists said I was going to hell, and the political fellas told me I'd die at the hands of the invaders and they'd send me to hell.

It didn't take me long to figure out that others were trying to run my life -- and I rebelled! An education helped. Seeing the world helped! I saw first hand for myself and I formed my own opinions -- WHY, IT WAS THE SIZE OF MY AMYGDALA -- silly me! (I wish it had been that easy).

Seriously, I suppose, seeing the actions of some conservatives, in their kowtowing religious ways, I should be more sympathetic toward their affliction. But I have grown tired of giving them the benefit of the doubt. Politeness to them is a sign of weakness. Subtleness is lost on them. Facts are dismissed wholesale. And, like in Congress today, "It is our way or the highway" -- compromise is out-the-window!

If this is a congenital problem as indicated in the OP, can some sort of rehabilitation be prescribed? Until a self-realization of one's afflicted condition is achieved, the condition will persist -- and our Democracy will suffer. If all would heed Socrates' words: "Know thyself" that would be a first step in the right direction -- but few of that bent probably know of him.

A second step would be to consciously appreciate the specialness of this world and the things around us. These things are for everyone, not the 'chosen' few in enclaves or within fences (religion is a kind of fence, limiting peoples' options and persona).

Where do we go from here if the OP is correct -- and I think it is.

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From my amygdala to yours . . .
Where do we go from here if the OP is correct -- and I think it is.
I'm too lazy to go back and find it, but it was a blog or editorial piece so I'll just paraphrase it; the point of studies like these is for the purposes of understanding and tolerance. In spite of every human being human, there are a limited variety of ways we vary from one another. By understanding these essential differences we can avoid making up our own self-congratulating stories about why people act differently than we think they should.

Civilization needs its conservatives. They hold down the fort, they preserve, they are the stewards of structure and order, which is vital for a successful civilization. They are necessary buffers for the progressives who luuurve new ideas and concepts and want to toss out tradition for something unheard of (and perhaps untrustworthy).

Progressive-type persons, if not grounded by the conservative persons, would instigate too much 'experimental change', and undermine our necessary structures and order. This is cartoonish just for the sake of discussion.

Libs and cons are not 'enemies', they each provide necessary functions for civilization. They each have a job to do.

Fundamentalist/evangelical Christianity, already deeply immersed in a worldview where they star in the battle of Good versus Evil, are rooted in powerful existential fears. It's no shock they gravitate toward conservative views, which in turn are rooted in powerful existential fears (loss of control, chaos, things we all dread to some degree).

If you and I have large, bulging amygdalas and react intensely to threats and fears, we can't exactly help that we are like that. We have to 'thank' our brain structure and neurology for it. It's 'determined', in a way. Like other human traits are determined. If people can't exactly choose how they are wired at the most basic levels, and we do have to share the planet for the time being, it is rational and prosocial to tolerate and accept even if we don't agree.

If people who gravitate toward fundamentalism or evangelicism are 'wired' to gravitate that way, it's not rational to blame or persecute them just for being excessively fear driven. It's rational and necessary to challenge their extremism when it gets political or becomes oppressive to others . . . but not to 'shame' them for being a bunch of idiots. There are reasons people do what they do, and I'm gonna guess that NEVER does a person do what they believe is stupid (even though it really is).

Understanding (and I'm thinking just basic understanding and acceptance of differences) is enough. And the principle of charity has more 'room' within more understanding and tolerance. Either way, it is more 'work' to orient this way, more work on the self, anyway . . . but you know what they say about the unexamined life ;)

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