9/11 conspiracy theories

[nursebenjamin]

Those who believe that 9/11 was NOT … perpetuated by elements of the US government … cannot logically explain certain key issues.

[1] What caused the fall of WTC#7? It was not struck by debris, yet it fell. Coincidence?

[2] Why was NO aircraft debris ever discovered at the Pentagon site or the Shanksville site? Coincidence?

[3] Why do the events of 9/11 and 10/26/2001 so closely parallel the Reichstag Fire and the Enabling act of 1933? Coincidence?

[4] Why did the US intelligence community and VP Cheney obstruct a non-partisan congressional investigation of the events of 9/11? In any normal criminal investigation this act would otherwise be considered criminal all by itself. Coincidence?

[5] Why were arab terrorists that participated in 9/11 actually living in the home of FBI agents as their guests? Coincidence?

These last two items are verified by the congressional committee that investigated events and persons involved in 9/11. (source; INTELLIGENCE MATTERS by Senator Bob Graham)

It is not internet rumor and it is not supermarket tabloid gibberish. It is fact that cannot [ignored] as being insane conspiracy theorists.

Question for debate: Can these issues be explained without conspiracy theories?

[nursebenjamin]

[1] It is my understanding that Tower 7 was struck by burning debris. Fires burned out of control inside Tower 7 all morning The sprinkler system failed due to a loss of water pressure. The fires caused support beams to expand and buckle. This buckling support beams is what caused Tower 7 to collapse.

[2] "Issue Two" is demonstrably false:
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[Goat]

Those who believe that 9/11 was NOT … perpetuated by elements of the US government … cannot logically explain certain key issues.

[1] What caused the fall of WTC#7? It was not struck by debris, yet it fell. Coincidence?

[2] Why was NO aircraft debris ever discovered at the Pentagon site or the Shanksville site? Coincidence?

[3] Why do the events of 9/11 and 10/26/2001 so closely parallel the Reichstag Fire and the Enabling act of 1933? Coincidence?

[4] Why did the US intelligence community and VP Cheney obstruct a non-partisan congressional investigation of the events of 9/11? In any normal criminal investigation this act would otherwise be considered criminal all by itself. Coincidence?

[5] Why were arab terrorists that participated in 9/11 actually living in the home of FBI agents as their guests? Coincidence?

These last two items are verified by the congressional committee that investigated events and persons involved in 9/11. (source; INTELLIGENCE MATTERS by Senator Bob Graham)

It is not internet rumor and it is not supermarket tabloid gibberish. It is fact that cannot [ignored] as being insane conspiracy theorists.

Question for debate: Can these issues be explained without conspiracy theories?

Absolutely. Let's go talk about number 1 to begin with. Jet fuel just so happens to burn very very hot. It is hot enough to soften steel girders. When the support structure of the tower was compromised, the weight and gravity of the tower supplied the rest of what is needed.

Now, let's look at claim 5. That is an incorrect claim. The actual claim was the one of two men who were on the TIPOFF list were actually housed by an FBI informant, not an agent. The claim is the FBI did not follow up on it in an timely fashion. this points to FBI incompetence, not compliance. One must wonder why the conspiracy theorists take so much care to misrepresent what is written, particularly when a review of the actual data can show they are lying.

[olavisjo]

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Absolutely. Let's go talk about number 1 to begin with. Jet fuel just so happens to burn very very hot. It is hot enough to soften steel girders. When the support structure of the tower was compromised, the weight and gravity of the tower supplied the rest of what is needed.

How did the jet fuel (or anything else) get from WTC1 and WTC2 to WTC7 and not effect WTC5 and WTC6?

[olavisjo]

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[1] It is my understanding that Tower 7 was struck by burning debris. Fires burned out of control inside Tower 7 all morning The sprinkler system failed due to a loss of water pressure. The fires caused support beams to expand and buckle. This buckling support beams is what caused Tower 7 to collapse.

Why did the support beams all fail at exactly the same time?

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[Goat]

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Absolutely. Let's go talk about number 1 to begin with. Jet fuel just so happens to burn very very hot. It is hot enough to soften steel girders. When the support structure of the tower was compromised, the weight and gravity of the tower supplied the rest of what is needed.

How did the jet fuel (or anything else) get from WTC1 and WTC2 to WTC7 and not effect WTC5 and WTC6?

Have you ever heard of 'falling debris'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

The original 7 World Trade Center was 47 stories tall, clad in red exterior masonry, and occupied a trapezoidal footprint. An elevated walkway connected the building to the World Trade Center plaza. The building was situated above a Consolidated Edison (Con Ed) power substation, which imposed unique structural design constraints. When the building opened in 1987, Silverstein had difficulties attracting tenants. In 1988, Salomon Brothers signed a long-term lease, and became the main tenants of the building. On September 11, 2001, 7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 pm.[2] The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm.

[nursebenjamin]

Why did the support beams all fail at exactly the same time?

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"The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse."[1]


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[olavisjo]

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[1] It is my understanding that Tower 7 was struck by burning debris. Fires burned out of control inside Tower 7 all morning The sprinkler system failed due to a loss of water pressure. The fires caused support beams to expand and buckle. This buckling support beams is what caused Tower 7 to collapse.

Why did the support beams all fail at exactly the same time?

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Notice how different the collapse of the towers was, the building came down at the point of the fire and collapsed one floor at a time. But WTC7 collapsed from the lower floors, a simple office fire would not get that hot.

And why was there a lack of water?

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[Goat]

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[1] It is my understanding that Tower 7 was struck by burning debris. Fires burned out of control inside Tower 7 all morning The sprinkler system failed due to a loss of water pressure. The fires caused support beams to expand and buckle. This buckling support beams is what caused Tower 7 to collapse.

Why did the support beams all fail at exactly the same time?

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Notice how different the collapse of the towers was, the building came down at the point of the fire and collapsed one floor at a time. But WTC7 collapsed from the lower floors, a simple office fire would not get that hot.

And why was there a lack of water?

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Why what there a lack of water?? Because the pressure was too low

Many , if not all of your objections and sucking in the conspiracy theory myths are addressed in a special edition of Popular Mechanics

The reason is that it happened all at once is that all the supports were weakened, and when up support gave way, the other supports could not support the weight of the floor above. Then, when you got one floor hitting into the floor below it, the weight of the floor falling on it (remember, there would be an acceleration due to gravity), it was enough to destroy the support of the floor below it, and then the next set of floors would have one weight striking it.. so you get a domino effect

[Darias]

It's not up for debate that states have used false flag operations as a pretense for war in the past, but in this case blowback is more than enough explanation for why this sort of thing happened. Unless there's such a thing as silent demolition explosives, you just won't see me buying into these sort of claims. In all honesty they annoy me because they offend people into adopting nonsensical worldviews that reject honest skepticism as conspiratorial.