IRS Asked Pro-Life Group for the Content of Their Prayers

[East of Eden]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

[100%atheist]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

[East of Eden]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

There wasn't a church involved when we had school prayer either.

Here's another Christian group who was singled out by the IRS because of their views. http://www.christianpost.com/news/james ... irs-96085/

Just as Obama has been the biggest gun salesman since Clintion, I predict such outrages will fuel the Tea Party and other opponents tremendously.

[dianaiad]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

Y'know, I was astounded to see that there are people who actually approve of the IRS actions here against both religious and conservative groups. They use phrases like "these groups are extremist" and so deserve to be forced to provide the transcript of private prayers, private e-mails, facebook pages and the like.

Never mind the left or right leaning opinions...what's the matter with their THINKING? What makes them think that something like this, when half the USA is right wing....wouldn't be remembered by the Conservatives who eventually get into power, and be reciprocated?

Mostly, with all this, I am simply shaking my head at the sheer stupidity and arrogance being expressed. When even the Democrats and the media is upset about it, they've....well....

They'll get away with it, inasmuch as Obama won't be forced to resign and the spin will be in full circle, but eventually the power base will shift. What will the left do when the right decides to employ the same tactics?

And they will.

[East of Eden]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

Y'know, I was astounded to see that there are people who actually approve of the IRS actions here against both religious and conservative groups. They use phrases like "these groups are extremist" and so deserve to be forced to provide the transcript of private prayers, private e-mails, facebook pages and the like.

Never mind the left or right leaning opinions...what's the matter with their THINKING? What makes them think that something like this, when half the USA is right wing....wouldn't be remembered by the Conservatives who eventually get into power, and be reciprocated?

Mostly, with all this, I am simply shaking my head at the sheer stupidity and arrogance being expressed. When even the Democrats and the media is upset about it, they've....well....

They'll get away with it, inasmuch as Obama won't be forced to resign and the spin will be in full circle, but eventually the power base will shift. What will the left do when the right decides to employ the same tactics?

And they will.

Exactly, this is the behavior you'd expect out of a third world regime. And Obama said a few weeks ago there's no need to worry about tyranny.

As Joe Biden would say, "This is a big f****** deal."

And now that I think about it, stupidity and arrogance do sum up the Obama administration. The only positive here is this will strengthen the House movement to refuse to fund Obamacare and starve the beast.

[100%atheist]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

There wasn't a church involved when we had school prayer either.

Here's another Christian group who was singled out by the IRS because of their views. http://www.christianpost.com/news/james ... irs-96085/

Just as Obama has been the biggest gun salesman since Clintion, I predict such outrages will fuel the Tea Party and other opponents tremendously.

Again, it is all interesting but it is irrelevant to your OP topic. Would you mind to elaborate on how a tax agency asking for the content of group prayers interfere with individuals' rights to practice religion?

The challenge for you is to show the connection and then NOT show the connection. Because if the connection is shown, then the group attempts to violate the Constitution by establishing a bridge between religion and politics.

[dianaiad]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.

No, there is no church involved.

There wasn't a church involved when we had school prayer either.

Here's another Christian group who was singled out by the IRS because of their views. http://www.christianpost.com/news/james ... irs-96085/

Just as Obama has been the biggest gun salesman since Clintion, I predict such outrages will fuel the Tea Party and other opponents tremendously.

Again, it is all interesting but it is irrelevant to your OP topic. Would you mind to elaborate on how a tax agency asking for the content of group prayers interfere with individuals' rights to practice religion?

The challenge for you is to show the connection and then NOT show the connection. Because if the connection is shown, then the group attempts to violate the Constitution by establishing a bridge between religion and politics.

How about...because it is absolutely nobody's business what other people pray for, and the second the IRS asks to be informed of that, it is the epitome of 'establishing a religion?"

Idiotic.

This whole thing is idiotic, arrogant, assinine.....and I'd be jumping around celebrating an 'I told you so" moment, if I hadn't been hoping I was wrong.

[100%atheist]

How about...because it is absolutely nobody's business what other people pray for, and the second the IRS asks to be informed of that, it is the epitome of 'establishing a religion?"

Idiotic.

You are plain wrong. Here is an example for you.

How about I become a megachurch pastor and pray for God helping us to get b0mb$ and k111 the President? (disclaimer: the above example is purely hypothetical and I am totally against any such action, etc. etc. In other words, the FBI agent who reads this, don't come after me. I am actually a supporter of the President and the institute of the president). I am not even sure that if I were serious about the sentence above and put it on a forum like this one, I wouldn't be paid a visit by the FBI.

There are limits on the freedom of speech, which means that it is NOT "absolutely nobody's business what other people pray for".

[dianaiad]

How about...because it is absolutely nobody's business what other people pray for, and the second the IRS asks to be informed of that, it is the epitome of 'establishing a religion?"

Idiotic.

You are plain wrong. Here is an example for you.

How about I become a megachurch pastor and pray for God helping us to get b0mb$ and k111 the President? (disclaimer: the above example is purely hypothetical and I am totally against any such action, etc. etc. In other words, the FBI agent who reads this, don't come after me. I am actually a supporter of the President and the institute of the president). I am not even sure that if I were serious about the sentence above and put it on a forum like this one, I wouldn't be paid a visit by the FBI.

There are limits on the freedom of speech, which means that it is NOT "absolutely nobody's business what other people pray for".

It is nobody's business what other people pray for. Prayer is between one's self and one's Deity; a request for help.

Now, if there is no deity...or there is one and that deity will not grant requests (or at least requests that upset you) then there is absolutely no reason for anybody to be worried about it. Nothing will happen. On the other hand, if said deity DOES listen and is inclined to grant such prayers, then I'd say His will trumps everybody esle's...in which case it's still none of your business.

It is only when conversations are between PEOPLE that anybody might...and I do mean MIGHT, have some sort of interest, and even then the line has to be drawn very, very lightly....and very, very far away from where the government can take action.

You SHOULD be afraid of the FBI, the ATF and the IRS. It's obvious that there is reason to fear. BTW., Freedom of speech is rather important. Freedom of religion is also important...and guess which one comes first in the First Amendment?

[WinePusher]

I don't really care about what the IRS did. What the IRS did is known as profiling, which I don't have a problem with. Conservative groups are generally anti government and probably would be more inclined to falsify tax documents as opposed to other groups, just like Muslims are more inclined to be terrorists and commit suicide bombings. Profile Conservatives when it comes to taxes, and profile Muslims when it comes to getting on airplanes. Plain and Simple.