Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?

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Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?

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Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?

Since most Christians think that Christian symbols and pray should be allowed in public schools, do these Christians think equal rights should be given to Muslims?

Would you be alright with both a Christian and Muslin pray be a football game? Are you OK with both a Christian pray followed by a Muslim pray in the classroom?

Are you OK with the crescent moon and star being placed next to the Christian cross in all public places?

What about the Jewish religion? Should that also have a place in the public schools?

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Absolutely!
Every organisartion, whether school, church group, scouts, etc., that takes it upon itself to teach our children about religion, should be obliged to teach all religions equally. Anything else is denying the young person freedom of conscience.

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What do the Christains have to say?

Where are the Christains?

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Donray wrote: What do the Christains have to say?

Where are the Christains?
If it is a majority Muslim school district and there is an opt out clause, yes, they are paying for the schools to begin with. Hopefully they leave out the kill the infidel bits, though.
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East of Eden wrote:
Donray wrote: What do the Christains have to say?

Where are the Christains?
If it is a majority Muslim school district and there is an opt out clause, yes, they are paying for the schools to begin with. Hopefully they leave out the kill the infidel bits, though.
So, you think that segregation should make a comeback and that for example we should not teach black history unless the school has a majority of blacks and there is an opt out clause.

What about a school that is 40% Muslim 40% Christian and 20% atheist?

Also what about quotes out of the Koran in public places like a court house?

So, if the school is 51% Muslim and 49% Christian we should have only Muslim symbols and prays.

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East of Eden wrote:
Donray wrote: What do the Christains have to say?

Where are the Christains?
If it is a majority Muslim school district and there is an opt out clause, yes, they are paying for the schools to begin with. Hopefully they leave out the kill the infidel bits, though.
So, you think that segregation should make a comeback and that for example we should not teach black history unless the school has a majority of blacks and there is an opt out clause.
What does that have to do with prayer?
What about a school that is 40% Muslim 40% Christian and 20% atheist?

Also what about quotes out of the Koran in public places like a court house?

So, if the school is 51% Muslim and 49% Christian we should have only Muslim symbols and prays.
I'm confident the local school boards could figure it out. BTW, this is a majority Christian nation.
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Donray wrote: Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?
No. Our public schools should be secular. Our governments should neither promote nor prohibit any religion.
Donray wrote: Since most Christians think that Christian symbols and pray should be allowed in public schools, do these Christians think equal rights should be given to Muslims?
This question goes to the hypocrisy of many Christians. If they want the government to abandon its neutrality towards religion, then anything goes. They do not realize that secularism protects them as well as everyone else. It is all about freedom.
East of Eden wrote: If it is a majority Muslim school district and there is an opt out clause, yes, they are paying for the schools to begin with. Hopefully they leave out the kill the infidel bits, though.
Why should they leave that out? If your version of democracy is simple populism without the constitutional protection of rights, then as soon as the Muslims win the breeding / immigration race, they can impose Sharia Law?
East of Eden wrote: I'm confident the local school boards could figure it out. BTW, this is a majority Christian nation.
For now. Nominally. But the whole point of the Bill of Rights ( or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in my country ) is that the rights of the minority are protected. Democracy does not have to mean the dictatorship of the majority.
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McCulloch wrote:
Donray wrote: Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?
No. Our public schools should be secular. Our governments should neither promote nor prohibit any religion.
The US Founders disagreed.
This question goes to the hypocrisy of many Christians. If they want the government to abandon its neutrality towards religion, then anything goes. They do not realize that secularism protects them as well as everyone else. It is all about freedom.
I haven't seen any Chrisitans here objecting to Islamic prayers, though.
Why should they leave that out? If your version of democracy is simple populism without the constitutional protection of rights, then as soon as the Muslims win the breeding / immigration race, they can impose Sharia Law?
Sharia Law goes against our Bill of Rights, although I'm sure some activist judge would agree with them.
For now.
Thank you.
Nominally.
But atheists aren't nominal? Richard Dawkins says he goes to church Christmas and Easter, does that make him a nominal atheist?
But the whole point of the Bill of Rights ( or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in my country ) is that the rights of the minority are protected. Democracy does not have to mean the dictatorship of the majority.
Or the minority. The point of the 1A was not to protect the government from big, nasty religion, it was to protect religion from big, nasty government.
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Donray wrote: Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?

Since most Christians think that Christian symbols and pray should be allowed in public schools, do these Christians think equal rights should be given to Muslims?
That depends on the setting. A school administration should not display Islamic symbols. However, students who wish to display Islamic symbols should be given the same freedom as other forms of expression.

As long as freedom of expression does not directly interfere with education then members of all religions, philosophies, and worldviews should be granted the same freedom of expression.




Donray wrote: Would you be alright with both a Christian and Muslin pray be a football game? Are you OK with both a Christian pray followed by a Muslim pray in the classroom?
I don’t think that there should be an official prayer of any kind in a classroom. Individual students should retain the right to pray as long as they do not disrupt the class.

Donray wrote: Are you OK with the crescent moon and star being placed next to the Christian cross in all public places?

What about the Jewish religion? Should that also have a place in the public schools?
Yes. The government should not make such displays, but Christians and Muslims should have the right to display the symbols of their beliefs to same degree which people have the right make a display of a non-religious manner.
Understand that you might believe. Believe that you might understand. –Augustine of Hippo

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bjs wrote:
Donray wrote: Should Islam symbols and pray be allowed in public schools?

Since most Christians think that Christian symbols and pray should be allowed in public schools, do these Christians think equal rights should be given to Muslims?
That depends on the setting. A school administration should not display Islamic symbols. However, students who wish to display Islamic symbols should be given the same freedom as other forms of expression.

As long as freedom of expression does not directly interfere with education then members of all religions, philosophies, and worldviews should be granted the same freedom of expression.




Donray wrote: Would you be alright with both a Christian and Muslin pray be a football game? Are you OK with both a Christian pray followed by a Muslim pray in the classroom?
I don’t think that there should be an official prayer of any kind in a classroom. Individual students should retain the right to pray as long as they do not disrupt the class.
Or the individual students could opt out of school prayer.
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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