Catholic hospital argues that a fetus is not a person.

[nursebenjamin]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. Doesn't this go against everything that we've been told by conservatives on this debate site?

[micatala]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. Doesn't this go against everything that we've been told by conservatives on this debate site?

I had seen a report on this on the news. It does seem rather at odds with the Catholic Church's position at the very least.

On the other hand, these are lawyers. Lawyers are not hired to make theological pronouncements, nor to maintain positions consistent with their clients or even their own previous positions, nor even necessarily to be truthful.

Lawyers are hired to win a case by any means within the law.




However, it is ironic that about the same day I saw a report on the pro-life march in DC. One cleric was noting the progress that had been made at the state level, and particularly mentioned personhood amendments.

[WinePusher]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. Doesn't this go against everything that we've been told by conservatives on this debate site?

No? Just read the title of the article. LAWYERS for a Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. It doesn't say the Pope, or a Catholic council, or the Conference of Bishops, or a group of scientists argue that a fetus is not a person. Simply says that some lawyers for a hospital facing a lawsuit have decided to use this position as the basis for their defense. That doesn't mean anything.

Like remember how Obama and the Democrats kept telling us the individual mandate wasn't a tax? And then Obama's Solicitor General argues before the Supreme Court that it actually is a tax? That's basically the same thing going on here.

[100%atheist]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. Doesn't this go against everything that we've been told by conservatives on this debate site?

No? Just read the title of the article. LAWYERS for a Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. It doesn't say the Pope, or a Catholic council, or the Conference of Bishops, or a group of scientists argue that a fetus is not a person. Simply says that some lawyers for a hospital facing a lawsuit have decided to use this position as the basis for their defense. That doesn't mean anything.

If you ever had a lawyer, you know that it is illegit for a lawyer to use major defence arguments without client's approval. Of course, the line of defence used in this case has likely no approval from the Catholic church, but it certainly should be approved by the Catholic hospital, otherwise they should immediately fire the lawyer.

Like remember how Obama and the Democrats kept telling us the individual mandate wasn't a tax? And then Obama's Solicitor General argues before the Supreme Court that it actually is a tax? That's basically the same thing going on here.

I don't think this is a comparable case because no matter how the government calls collecting money, it is still collecting money. Is it some sort of hypocricy of the Obama administration? Maybe. I think this is called politics. And hey, by the way, do you remember the amount of attention FoxyNews and co. paid to this story? Wouldn't it be at least fair if we now discuss the actions of the Catholic hospital with a similar degree of scrutiny?

[Bust Nak]

Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person. Doesn't this go against everything that we've been told by conservatives on this debate site?

It's not surprising that lawyers can successfully argue that a fetus is not a person. It's not evern surprising that Catholics lawyers / lawyers hired by Catholics would use such an argument if it can win them a case. What is surprising though, is that the laws on medical malpractice with regard to wrongful killing, doesn't have a clause to explicitly include fetuses, something like the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

[The Tongue]

[Bust Nak wrote]....... It's not surprising that lawyers can successfully argue that a fetus is not a person. It's not evern surprising that Catholics lawyers / lawyers hired by Catholics would use such an argument if it can win them a case.

I am in total agreement with this, as the lawyers case in this instance is supported by the Law as revealed in the Holy Scriptures.

Exodus 21: 22-25; “If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses the fruit of her womb, (Fetus) but she herself (A Person) is not injured in any other way, the person who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman’s husband demands, subject to the approval of the Judges.

But if the woman herself (A person) is injured, the punishment shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.�